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From: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
To: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>
Cc: Anthony.Perard@citrix.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com
Subject: [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] xen: Add a new target to qemu: target-xen
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:47:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19557.16086.677317.207260@mariner.uk.xensource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimiij2BGt9eRmeLih+OUbdfy8W_+-zkFsysEoo8@mail.gmail.com>

Blue Swirl writes ("[Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] xen: Add a new target to qemu: target-xen"):
> I don't understand why it would be a target, QEMU calls CPU
> architectures targets. Isn't it possible to have Xen for Sparc, PPC or
> ARM? It should really be just a machine, not copy&paste from x86
> target.

Qemu's targets include much more of Qemu's system emulation than is
appropriate for Xen, because the hypervisor is doing more of the
work.  For example, there is no representation of the guest CPU state
outside the hypervisor so Qemu doesn't see that at all.

So it makes sense to do Xen emulation in Qemu as a new target than
just as a machine.

Yes, in principle Xen for Sparc, PPC and ARM are possible; some of
these have existed in the past although targets other than i386,
itanium and amd64 aren't currently supported by xen-unstable.  So
perhaps the currently-introduced xen target should be called
target-i386-xen.  However, in practice since in a Xen system Qemu
doesn't deal with CPU instructions these other targets will be much
more like each other than (say) i386 is close to m68k.

Or to put it all another way: from the point of view of Qemu, Xen is
a weird kind of cpu architecture whose instruction emulation is done
"by magic" and Qemu doesn't need to care vary much about that.

Ian.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
To: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>
Cc: Anthony.Perard@citrix.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] xen: Add a new target to qemu: target-xen
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:47:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19557.16086.677317.207260@mariner.uk.xensource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimiij2BGt9eRmeLih+OUbdfy8W_+-zkFsysEoo8@mail.gmail.com>

Blue Swirl writes ("[Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] xen: Add a new target to qemu: target-xen"):
> I don't understand why it would be a target, QEMU calls CPU
> architectures targets. Isn't it possible to have Xen for Sparc, PPC or
> ARM? It should really be just a machine, not copy&paste from x86
> target.

Qemu's targets include much more of Qemu's system emulation than is
appropriate for Xen, because the hypervisor is doing more of the
work.  For example, there is no representation of the guest CPU state
outside the hypervisor so Qemu doesn't see that at all.

So it makes sense to do Xen emulation in Qemu as a new target than
just as a machine.

Yes, in principle Xen for Sparc, PPC and ARM are possible; some of
these have existed in the past although targets other than i386,
itanium and amd64 aren't currently supported by xen-unstable.  So
perhaps the currently-introduced xen target should be called
target-i386-xen.  However, in practice since in a Xen system Qemu
doesn't deal with CPU instructions these other targets will be much
more like each other than (say) i386 is close to m68k.

Or to put it all another way: from the point of view of Qemu, Xen is
a weird kind of cpu architecture whose instruction emulation is done
"by magic" and Qemu doesn't need to care vary much about that.

Ian.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-13 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-12 14:08 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] RFC xen device model support Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:08 ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/15] xen: Update libxc calls stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:19   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-12 14:19     ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-12 14:28     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:28       ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:29       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:29         ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-18  9:50         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-18 11:47           ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-18 11:47             ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/15] xen: Add xen_machine_fv stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-16 13:42   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-08-16 13:42     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-16 14:04     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-16 14:13       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-16 14:13         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-16 14:38         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-16 14:38           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-16 14:51           ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-08-16 14:51             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-16 15:00             ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-16 15:00               ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-16 15:07             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-16 15:07               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] xen: Add a new target to qemu: target-xen stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 18:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 12:47     ` Ian Jackson [this message]
2010-08-13 12:47       ` Ian Jackson
2010-08-13 17:35       ` [Xen-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 17:35         ` Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 13:10     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 17:46       ` Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 18:50   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 18:50     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/15] xen: xen_machine_fv, initialize xenstore stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/15] xen: add a 8259 Interrupt Controller stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/15] xen: Add the Xen platform pci device stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 18:26   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 13:09     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/15] xen: handle xenstore events stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/15] xen: Read and write the state of the VM in xenstore stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-13 18:53   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 18:53     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-15 14:12     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-15 14:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-16 11:15       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-16 11:15         ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-16 12:13         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-16 12:13           ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-16 12:59           ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-16 12:59             ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/15] xen: Initialize event channels and io rings stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 18:42   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 13:10     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 18:54   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 18:54     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/15] xen: Introduce the Xen mapcache stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-13 18:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 18:55     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/15] piix3: introduce register_set_irq and register_map_irq stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 18:44   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 13:10     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/15] piix_pci: introduce a write_config notifier stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:09   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 18:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 13:10     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-09-05  7:34       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-09-05  7:34         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-08-12 14:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/15] vl.c: Introduce getter for shutdown_requested and reset_requested stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:10   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/15] xen: destroy the VM when shutdown is requested stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:10   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-13 18:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 18:56     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-12 14:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/15] xen: Add a Xen specific ACPI Implementation to target-xen stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 14:10   ` stefano.stabellini
2010-08-12 18:46   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-08-13 13:10     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 13:10       ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 18:57   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 18:57     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 19:37     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 19:37       ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 20:51       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 20:51         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-16 11:10         ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-16 11:10           ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 19:09 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 00/15] RFC xen device model support Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 19:09   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 19:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 19:35     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-08-13 20:48     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-08-13 20:48       ` Anthony Liguori

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