From: Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> Cc: Anthony Perard <anthony.perard@citrix.com>, "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>, "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com> Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 15/15] xen: Add a Xen specific ACPI Implementation to target-xen Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:10:30 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1008161158450.2545@kaball-desktop> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4C65B03A.5050306@codemonkey.ws> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Anthony Liguori wrote: > On 08/13/2010 02:37 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Anthony Liguori wrote: > > > >> On 08/12/2010 09:10 AM, stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com wrote: > >> > >>> From: Anthony PERARD<anthony.perard@citrix.com> > >>> > >>> Xen currently uses a different BIOS (hvmloader + rombios) therefore the > >>> Qemu acpi_piix4 implementation wouldn't work correctly with Xen. > >>> We plan on fixing this properly but at the moment we are just adding a > >>> new Xen specific acpi_piix4 implementation. > >>> This patch is optional; without it the VM boots but it cannot shutdown > >>> properly or go to S3. > >>> > >>> > >> What's the long term plan? Will Xen adopt SeaBIOS or will you adapt > >> your BIOS to cope with our ACPI implementation? > >> > >> > > I think it shouldn't be too difficult to adapt our current BIOS, but > > we'll need few xen specific hooks in acpi_piix4. > > The price that we'll have to pay doing so is loosing live-migration > > compatibility with older xen installations. > > > > Does Xen migrate roms (like the BIOS) in such a way that the persist > after a reboot? > No, I don't think so. However it is common practice not to require any VM reboot on host upgrade. > I noticed there was only one machine type defined. In our experience, > to preserve compatibility with migration, it's useful to have versioned > machine names. We also have some special machine parameters to support > compatibility with qdev. > Thanks for the tip, we'll look into it. Knowing that we would have the BIOS problem mentioned above, we didn't try yet any save/restore or migration compatibility between old qemu-xen and new qemu. > How does Xen handle hvm migration machine model compatibility? > We use per-device save state versions and we tend to use always the same set of devices.
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From: Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> Cc: Anthony Perard <anthony.perard@citrix.com>, "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>, "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH 15/15] xen: Add a Xen specific ACPI Implementation to target-xen Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:10:30 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1008161158450.2545@kaball-desktop> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4C65B03A.5050306@codemonkey.ws> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Anthony Liguori wrote: > On 08/13/2010 02:37 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Anthony Liguori wrote: > > > >> On 08/12/2010 09:10 AM, stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com wrote: > >> > >>> From: Anthony PERARD<anthony.perard@citrix.com> > >>> > >>> Xen currently uses a different BIOS (hvmloader + rombios) therefore the > >>> Qemu acpi_piix4 implementation wouldn't work correctly with Xen. > >>> We plan on fixing this properly but at the moment we are just adding a > >>> new Xen specific acpi_piix4 implementation. > >>> This patch is optional; without it the VM boots but it cannot shutdown > >>> properly or go to S3. > >>> > >>> > >> What's the long term plan? Will Xen adopt SeaBIOS or will you adapt > >> your BIOS to cope with our ACPI implementation? > >> > >> > > I think it shouldn't be too difficult to adapt our current BIOS, but > > we'll need few xen specific hooks in acpi_piix4. > > The price that we'll have to pay doing so is loosing live-migration > > compatibility with older xen installations. > > > > Does Xen migrate roms (like the BIOS) in such a way that the persist > after a reboot? > No, I don't think so. However it is common practice not to require any VM reboot on host upgrade. > I noticed there was only one machine type defined. In our experience, > to preserve compatibility with migration, it's useful to have versioned > machine names. We also have some special machine parameters to support > compatibility with qdev. > Thanks for the tip, we'll look into it. Knowing that we would have the BIOS problem mentioned above, we didn't try yet any save/restore or migration compatibility between old qemu-xen and new qemu. > How does Xen handle hvm migration machine model compatibility? > We use per-device save state versions and we tend to use always the same set of devices.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-16 11:10 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2010-08-12 14:08 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] RFC xen device model support Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:08 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/15] xen: Update libxc calls stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini 2010-08-12 14:19 ` Paolo Bonzini 2010-08-12 14:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:28 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:29 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-18 9:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann 2010-08-18 11:47 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-18 11:47 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/15] xen: Add xen_machine_fv stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-16 13:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf 2010-08-16 13:42 ` Kevin Wolf 2010-08-16 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-16 14:13 ` Kevin Wolf 2010-08-16 14:13 ` Kevin Wolf 2010-08-16 14:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-16 14:38 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-16 14:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf 2010-08-16 14:51 ` Kevin Wolf 2010-08-16 15:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-16 15:00 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-16 15:07 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-16 15:07 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] xen: Add a new target to qemu: target-xen stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 18:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 12:47 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson 2010-08-13 12:47 ` Ian Jackson 2010-08-13 17:35 ` [Xen-devel] " Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 17:35 ` Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 13:10 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 17:46 ` Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 18:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 18:50 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/15] xen: xen_machine_fv, initialize xenstore stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/15] xen: add a 8259 Interrupt Controller stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/15] xen: Add the Xen platform pci device stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 18:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 13:09 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/15] xen: handle xenstore events stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/15] xen: Read and write the state of the VM in xenstore stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-13 18:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 18:53 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-15 14:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini 2010-08-15 14:12 ` Paolo Bonzini 2010-08-16 11:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-16 11:15 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-16 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini 2010-08-16 12:13 ` Paolo Bonzini 2010-08-16 12:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-16 12:59 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/15] xen: Initialize event channels and io rings stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 18:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 13:10 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 18:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 18:54 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/15] xen: Introduce the Xen mapcache stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-13 18:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 18:55 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/15] piix3: introduce register_set_irq and register_map_irq stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 18:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 13:10 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/15] piix_pci: introduce a write_config notifier stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:09 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 18:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 13:10 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-09-05 7:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin 2010-09-05 7:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin 2010-08-12 14:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/15] vl.c: Introduce getter for shutdown_requested and reset_requested stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:10 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/15] xen: destroy the VM when shutdown is requested stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:10 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-13 18:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 18:56 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-12 14:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/15] xen: Add a Xen specific ACPI Implementation to target-xen stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 14:10 ` stefano.stabellini 2010-08-12 18:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl 2010-08-13 13:10 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 13:10 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 18:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 18:57 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 19:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 19:37 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 20:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 20:51 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-16 11:10 ` Stefano Stabellini [this message] 2010-08-16 11:10 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 19:09 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 00/15] RFC xen device model support Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 19:09 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 19:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 19:35 ` Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-13 20:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2010-08-13 20:48 ` Anthony Liguori 2010-08-23 9:49 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] v2: " Stefano Stabellini 2010-08-23 9:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/15] xen: Add a Xen specific ACPI Implementation to target-xen stefano.stabellini 2010-08-23 11:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela 2010-08-23 13:15 ` Stefano Stabellini
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