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From: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Michael Cheng <michael.cheng@intel.com>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: wayne.boyer@intel.com, daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch,
	casey.g.bowman@intel.com, lucas.demarchi@intel.com,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, chris@chris-wilson.co.uk,
	Matthew Auld <matthew.auld@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Drop wbinvd_on_all_cpus usage
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:40:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1bd4ac91f24f6b4322811177f786f4867278ab83.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <210af2db-37ec-2cff-f6a6-7ea0263e135b@linux.intel.com>

Hi,

On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 13:12 +0000, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> 
> On 21/03/2022 12:33, Thomas Hellström wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 12:22 +0000, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 21/03/2022 11:03, Thomas Hellström wrote:
> > > > Hi, Tvrtko.
> > > > 
> > > > On 3/21/22 11:27, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 19/03/2022 19:42, Michael Cheng wrote:
> > > > > > To align with the discussion in [1][2], this patch series
> > > > > > drops
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > usage of
> > > > > > wbvind_on_all_cpus within i915 by either replacing the call
> > > > > > with certain
> > > > > > drm clflush helpers, or reverting to a previous logic.
> > > > > 
> > > > > AFAIU, complaint from [1] was that it is wrong to provide non
> > > > > x86
> > > > > implementations under the wbinvd_on_all_cpus name. Instead an
> > > > > arch
> > > > > agnostic helper which achieves the same effect could be
> > > > > created.
> > > > > Does
> > > > > Arm have such concept?
> > > > 
> > > > I also understand Linus' email like we shouldn't leak incoherent
> > > > IO
> > > > to
> > > > other architectures, meaning any remaining wbinvd()s should be
> > > > X86
> > > > only.
> > > 
> > > The last part is completely obvious since it is a x86 instruction
> > > name.
> > 
> > Yeah, I meant the function implementing wbinvd() semantics.
> > 
> > > 
> > > But I think we can't pick a solution until we know how the concept
> > > maps
> > > to Arm and that will also include seeing how the drm_clflush_sg for
> > > Arm
> > > would look. Is there a range based solution, or just a big hammer
> > > there.
> > > If the latter, then it is no good to churn all these reverts but
> > > instead
> > > an arch agnostic wrapper, with a generic name, would be the way to
> > > go.
> > 
> > But my impression was that ARM would not need the range-based
> > interface
> > either, because ARM is only for discrete and with discrete we're
> > always
> > coherent.
> 
> Not sure what you mean here - what about flushing system memory objects
> on discrete? Those still need flushing on paths like suspend which this
> series touches. Am I missing something?

System bos on discrete should always have

I915_BO_CACHE_COHERENT_FOR_READ | I915_BO_CACHE_COHERENT_FOR_WRITE

either by the gpu being fully cache coherent (or us mapping system
write-combined). Hence no need for cache clflushes or wbinvd() for
incoherent IO.

That's adhering to Linus'

"And I sincerely hope to the gods that no cache-incoherent i915 mess
ever makes it out of the x86 world. Incoherent IO was always a
historical mistake and should never ever happen again, so we should
not spread that horrific pattern around."


/Thomas



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Michael Cheng <michael.cheng@intel.com>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch, lucas.demarchi@intel.com,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, chris@chris-wilson.co.uk,
	Matthew Auld <matthew.auld@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 0/4] Drop wbinvd_on_all_cpus usage
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:40:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1bd4ac91f24f6b4322811177f786f4867278ab83.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <210af2db-37ec-2cff-f6a6-7ea0263e135b@linux.intel.com>

Hi,

On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 13:12 +0000, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> 
> On 21/03/2022 12:33, Thomas Hellström wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 12:22 +0000, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 21/03/2022 11:03, Thomas Hellström wrote:
> > > > Hi, Tvrtko.
> > > > 
> > > > On 3/21/22 11:27, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 19/03/2022 19:42, Michael Cheng wrote:
> > > > > > To align with the discussion in [1][2], this patch series
> > > > > > drops
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > usage of
> > > > > > wbvind_on_all_cpus within i915 by either replacing the call
> > > > > > with certain
> > > > > > drm clflush helpers, or reverting to a previous logic.
> > > > > 
> > > > > AFAIU, complaint from [1] was that it is wrong to provide non
> > > > > x86
> > > > > implementations under the wbinvd_on_all_cpus name. Instead an
> > > > > arch
> > > > > agnostic helper which achieves the same effect could be
> > > > > created.
> > > > > Does
> > > > > Arm have such concept?
> > > > 
> > > > I also understand Linus' email like we shouldn't leak incoherent
> > > > IO
> > > > to
> > > > other architectures, meaning any remaining wbinvd()s should be
> > > > X86
> > > > only.
> > > 
> > > The last part is completely obvious since it is a x86 instruction
> > > name.
> > 
> > Yeah, I meant the function implementing wbinvd() semantics.
> > 
> > > 
> > > But I think we can't pick a solution until we know how the concept
> > > maps
> > > to Arm and that will also include seeing how the drm_clflush_sg for
> > > Arm
> > > would look. Is there a range based solution, or just a big hammer
> > > there.
> > > If the latter, then it is no good to churn all these reverts but
> > > instead
> > > an arch agnostic wrapper, with a generic name, would be the way to
> > > go.
> > 
> > But my impression was that ARM would not need the range-based
> > interface
> > either, because ARM is only for discrete and with discrete we're
> > always
> > coherent.
> 
> Not sure what you mean here - what about flushing system memory objects
> on discrete? Those still need flushing on paths like suspend which this
> series touches. Am I missing something?

System bos on discrete should always have

I915_BO_CACHE_COHERENT_FOR_READ | I915_BO_CACHE_COHERENT_FOR_WRITE

either by the gpu being fully cache coherent (or us mapping system
write-combined). Hence no need for cache clflushes or wbinvd() for
incoherent IO.

That's adhering to Linus'

"And I sincerely hope to the gods that no cache-incoherent i915 mess
ever makes it out of the x86 world. Incoherent IO was always a
historical mistake and should never ever happen again, so we should
not spread that horrific pattern around."


/Thomas



  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-21 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-19 19:42 [PATCH 0/4] Drop wbinvd_on_all_cpus usage Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42 ` [PATCH 1/4] i915/gem: drop " Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42   ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-21 10:30   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 10:30     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 11:07     ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 11:07       ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 18:51       ` Michael Cheng
2022-03-21 18:51         ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-21 16:31     ` Michael Cheng
2022-03-21 16:31       ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-21 17:28       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 17:28         ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 17:42         ` Michael Cheng
2022-03-21 17:42           ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-22 14:35           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-03-22 14:35             ` Daniel Vetter
2022-03-21 17:51         ` Michael Cheng
2022-03-21 17:51           ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42 ` [PATCH 2/4] Revert "drm/i915/gem: Almagamate clflushes on suspend" Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42   ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42 ` [PATCH 3/4] i915/gem: Revert i915_gem_freeze to previous logic Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42   ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42 ` [PATCH 4/4] drm/i915/gt: Revert ggtt_resume " Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 19:42   ` [Intel-gfx] " Michael Cheng
2022-03-19 20:15 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for Drop wbinvd_on_all_cpus usage Patchwork
2022-03-19 20:16 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.SPARSE: " Patchwork
2022-03-19 20:45 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.BAT: success " Patchwork
2022-03-19 22:04 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.IGT: " Patchwork
2022-03-21 10:27 ` [PATCH 0/4] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 10:27   ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 11:03   ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 11:03     ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 12:22     ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 12:22       ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 12:33       ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 12:33         ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 13:12         ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 13:12           ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 13:40           ` Thomas Hellström [this message]
2022-03-21 13:40             ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 14:43             ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 14:43               ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-21 15:15               ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-21 15:15                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 10:13                 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-22 10:13                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-22 10:26                   ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 10:26                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 10:41                     ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 10:41                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 11:20                     ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-22 11:20                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-22 11:37                       ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 11:37                         ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 12:53                         ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-22 12:53                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-22 15:07                           ` Thomas Hellström
2022-03-22 15:07                             ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Hellström

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