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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:27:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100603142717.GC3548@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1006021437010.4765@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On 06/02, David Rientjes wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > > This isn't a bugfix, it simply prevents a recall to the oom killer after
> > > the kthread has called unuse_mm().  Please show where any side effects of
> > > oom killing a kthread, which cannot exit, as a result of use_mm() causes a
> > > problem _anywhere_.
> >
> > I already showed you the side effects, but you removed this part in your
> > reply.
> >
> > From http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=127542732121077
> >
> > 	It can't die but force_sig() does bad things which shouldn't be done
> > 	with workqueue thread. Note that it removes SIG_IGN, sets
> > 	SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT, makes signal_pending/fatal_signal_pedning true, etc.
> >
> > A workqueue thread must not run with SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT set, SIGKILL
> > must be ignored, signal_pending() must not be true.
> >
> > This is bug. It is minor, agreed, currently use_mm() is only used by aio.
>
> It's a problem that would probably never happen in practice because

No need to convince me this bug is minor. I repeated this every time.
I only argued with the "isn't a bugfix, no side effects".

> considered the ideal task to kill.  If you think this is rc material, then
> push it to Andrew and say that.

No, I don't think it is strictly necessary to push this fix into rc.
But I don't understand why this matters. And in any case, when it comes
to oom, I am in no position to make any authoritative decisions.


David, I don't understand why do you refuse to re-diff your changes
on top of Kosaki's work. If nothing else, this will help to review
your changes.

Oleg.


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:27:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100603142717.GC3548@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1006021437010.4765@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On 06/02, David Rientjes wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > > This isn't a bugfix, it simply prevents a recall to the oom killer after
> > > the kthread has called unuse_mm().  Please show where any side effects of
> > > oom killing a kthread, which cannot exit, as a result of use_mm() causes a
> > > problem _anywhere_.
> >
> > I already showed you the side effects, but you removed this part in your
> > reply.
> >
> > From http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=127542732121077
> >
> > 	It can't die but force_sig() does bad things which shouldn't be done
> > 	with workqueue thread. Note that it removes SIG_IGN, sets
> > 	SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT, makes signal_pending/fatal_signal_pedning true, etc.
> >
> > A workqueue thread must not run with SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT set, SIGKILL
> > must be ignored, signal_pending() must not be true.
> >
> > This is bug. It is minor, agreed, currently use_mm() is only used by aio.
>
> It's a problem that would probably never happen in practice because

No need to convince me this bug is minor. I repeated this every time.
I only argued with the "isn't a bugfix, no side effects".

> considered the ideal task to kill.  If you think this is rc material, then
> push it to Andrew and say that.

No, I don't think it is strictly necessary to push this fix into rc.
But I don't understand why this matters. And in any case, when it comes
to oom, I am in no position to make any authoritative decisions.


David, I don't understand why do you refuse to re-diff your changes
on top of Kosaki's work. If nothing else, this will help to review
your changes.

Oleg.

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-03 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-31  9:33 [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:33 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:35 ` [PATCH 2/5] oom: select_bad_process: PF_EXITING check should take ->mm into account KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:35   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31 16:43   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 16:43     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01  1:10     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01  1:10       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01 20:18       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01 20:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 13:54         ` [PATCH] oom: remove PF_EXITING check completely KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 13:54           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 15:54           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 15:54             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 21:02             ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 21:02               ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03  4:48               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-03  4:48                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-03  6:29                 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03  6:29                   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 13:54         ` [PATCH] oom: Make coredump interruptible KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 13:54           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 15:42           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 15:42             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 17:29             ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 17:29               ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 17:53               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 17:53                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 18:58                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 18:58                   ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 20:38                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 20:38                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-03 14:03                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-03 14:03                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 10:54                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-04 10:54                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-04 11:27                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 11:27                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 11:34                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 11:34                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 19:53                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 19:53                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 20:41                           ` David Rientjes
2010-06-09 20:41                             ` David Rientjes
2010-06-09 21:03                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 21:03                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 11:24                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-13 11:24                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-13 15:53                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 15:53                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 17:13                               ` uninterruptible CLONE_VFORK (Was: oom: Make coredump interruptible) Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 17:13                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-14  0:56                                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:56                                   ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14 16:33                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-14 16:33                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-14 19:17                                     ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14 19:17                                       ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-28 17:33                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-28 17:33                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-28 18:04                                         ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-28 18:04                                           ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:36                               ` [PATCH] oom: Make coredump interruptible Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:36                                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:26                     ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:26                       ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-01 20:39   ` [PATCH 2/5] oom: select_bad_process: PF_EXITING check should take ->mm into account David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:39     ` David Rientjes
2010-05-31  9:36 ` [PATCH 3/5] oom: introduce find_lock_task_mm() to fix !mm false positives KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:36   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01  0:57   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01  0:57     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01 20:42   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:42     ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 16:05   ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 16:05     ` Minchan Kim
2010-05-31  9:37 ` [PATCH 4/5] oom: the points calculation of child processes must use find_lock_task_mm() too KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:37   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31 16:56   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 16:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 23:48     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31 23:48       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:38 ` [PATCH 5/5] oom: __oom_kill_task() " KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:38   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01  1:02   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01  1:02     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01 20:44   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:44     ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01  0:54 ` [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01  0:54   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01 20:36 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:36   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 21:20   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01 21:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01 21:26     ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 21:26       ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 13:54       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 13:54         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 21:09         ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 21:09           ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 21:33           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 21:33             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 21:46             ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 21:46               ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03 14:27               ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2010-06-03 14:27                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-03 20:11                 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03 20:11                   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 15:32 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 15:32   ` Minchan Kim

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