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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:09:23 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1006021405280.32666@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100602223612.F52D.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:

> > Again, the question is whether or not the fix is rc material or not, 
> > otherwise there's no difference in the route that it gets upstream: the 
> > patch is duplicated in both series.  If you feel that this minor issue 
> > (which has never been reported in at least the last three years and 
> > doesn't have any side effects other than a couple of millisecond delay 
> > until unuse_mm() when the oom killer will kill something else) should be 
> > addressed in 2.6.35-rc2, then that's a conversation to be had with Andrew.
> 
> Well, we have bugfix-at-first development rule. Why do you refuse our
> development process?
> 

This isn't a bugfix, it simply prevents a recall to the oom killer after 
the kthread has called unuse_mm().  Please show where any side effects of 
oom killing a kthread, which cannot exit, as a result of use_mm() causes a 
problem _anywhere_.

If that's the definition you have for a "bugfix," then I could certainly 
argue that some of my patches like "oom: filter tasks not sharing the same 
cpuset" is a bugfix because it allows needlessly killing tasks that won't 
free memory for current, or "oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations" 
is a bugfix because it allows killing a task that won't free lowmem, etc.

I agree that this is a nice patch to have to avoid that recall later, 
which is why I merged it into my patchset, but let's please be accurate 
about its impact.

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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:09:23 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1006021405280.32666@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100602223612.F52D.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:

> > Again, the question is whether or not the fix is rc material or not, 
> > otherwise there's no difference in the route that it gets upstream: the 
> > patch is duplicated in both series.  If you feel that this minor issue 
> > (which has never been reported in at least the last three years and 
> > doesn't have any side effects other than a couple of millisecond delay 
> > until unuse_mm() when the oom killer will kill something else) should be 
> > addressed in 2.6.35-rc2, then that's a conversation to be had with Andrew.
> 
> Well, we have bugfix-at-first development rule. Why do you refuse our
> development process?
> 

This isn't a bugfix, it simply prevents a recall to the oom killer after 
the kthread has called unuse_mm().  Please show where any side effects of 
oom killing a kthread, which cannot exit, as a result of use_mm() causes a 
problem _anywhere_.

If that's the definition you have for a "bugfix," then I could certainly 
argue that some of my patches like "oom: filter tasks not sharing the same 
cpuset" is a bugfix because it allows needlessly killing tasks that won't 
free memory for current, or "oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations" 
is a bugfix because it allows killing a task that won't free lowmem, etc.

I agree that this is a nice patch to have to avoid that recall later, 
which is why I merged it into my patchset, but let's please be accurate 
about its impact.

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-02 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-31  9:33 [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:33 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:35 ` [PATCH 2/5] oom: select_bad_process: PF_EXITING check should take ->mm into account KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:35   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31 16:43   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 16:43     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01  1:10     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01  1:10       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01 20:18       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01 20:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 13:54         ` [PATCH] oom: remove PF_EXITING check completely KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 13:54           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 15:54           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 15:54             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 21:02             ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 21:02               ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03  4:48               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-03  4:48                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-03  6:29                 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03  6:29                   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 13:54         ` [PATCH] oom: Make coredump interruptible KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 13:54           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 15:42           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 15:42             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 17:29             ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 17:29               ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 17:53               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 17:53                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 18:58                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 18:58                   ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-02 20:38                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 20:38                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-03 14:03                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-03 14:03                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 10:54                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-04 10:54                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-04 11:27                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 11:27                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 11:34                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-04 11:34                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 19:53                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 19:53                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 20:41                           ` David Rientjes
2010-06-09 20:41                             ` David Rientjes
2010-06-09 21:03                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-09 21:03                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 11:24                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-13 11:24                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-13 15:53                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 15:53                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 17:13                               ` uninterruptible CLONE_VFORK (Was: oom: Make coredump interruptible) Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-13 17:13                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-14  0:56                                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:56                                   ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14 16:33                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-14 16:33                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-14 19:17                                     ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14 19:17                                       ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-28 17:33                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-28 17:33                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-28 18:04                                         ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-28 18:04                                           ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:36                               ` [PATCH] oom: Make coredump interruptible Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:36                                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:26                     ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-14  0:26                       ` Roland McGrath
2010-06-01 20:39   ` [PATCH 2/5] oom: select_bad_process: PF_EXITING check should take ->mm into account David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:39     ` David Rientjes
2010-05-31  9:36 ` [PATCH 3/5] oom: introduce find_lock_task_mm() to fix !mm false positives KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:36   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01  0:57   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01  0:57     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01 20:42   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:42     ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 16:05   ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 16:05     ` Minchan Kim
2010-05-31  9:37 ` [PATCH 4/5] oom: the points calculation of child processes must use find_lock_task_mm() too KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:37   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31 16:56   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 16:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 23:48     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31 23:48       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:38 ` [PATCH 5/5] oom: __oom_kill_task() " KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-05-31  9:38   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-01  1:02   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01  1:02     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01 20:44   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:44     ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01  0:54 ` [PATCH 1/5] oom: select_bad_process: check PF_KTHREAD instead of !mm to skip kthreads KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01  0:54   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-01 20:36 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 20:36   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 21:20   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01 21:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-01 21:26     ` David Rientjes
2010-06-01 21:26       ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 13:54       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 13:54         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-02 21:09         ` David Rientjes [this message]
2010-06-02 21:09           ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 21:33           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 21:33             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-02 21:46             ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 21:46               ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03 14:27               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-03 14:27                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-06-03 20:11                 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-03 20:11                   ` David Rientjes
2010-06-02 15:32 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 15:32   ` Minchan Kim

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