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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
Cc: linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	konkers@android.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	olof@lixom.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:08:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110124210833.GK29925@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinY5mJtC2fiV1iBnPbgwH9v3AmQQ7RR3pYJVACL@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:52:51PM -0800, Colin Cross wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Mark Brown

> > Normally that's handled by the same transition logic - the core PMIC
> > will usually sequence a bunch of voltage and power status changes when
> > entering its own low power mode and have a similar transition on resume
> > which will ensure that the regulators power back up with a sane setup
> > regardless of the state they were in beforehand.

> I believe Tegra supports this mode, where the Tegra PMC can master the
> I2C bus to control an external PMIC during resume, but I've never seen
> it used.

In almost all cases it's implemented in the PMIC rather than the CPU -
it's essentially the same logic as implements the initial power on of
the system and the PMIC needs to be capable of starting the system boot
without external assistance anyway, including sequencing the power up of
the CPU.

With most PMICs the settings will be hard coded into the silicon so
you really need to get a PMIC specifically designed for whatever CPU
you're using (this is one of the reasons you always see the same
CPU/PMIC combinations, people are terrified of changing a known good
pairing in case they build something that won't power on).  Some more
modern PMICs make this configurable which gives system designers a lot
more flexibility.

The PMC stuff is newer and in the designs I've seen is more focused on
runtime management than this stuff.

> > It sounds like for your systems what's happening is that the resume is
> > restoring the previously configured voltages for the core rails rather
> > than going to a known good state.  Is my understanding correct here?
> > While your fix is good and I don't see any reason not to do it this does
> > sound like something we should have a solution for in common code as I'd
> > not be surprised if there were other hardware out there which did a
> > similar thing.

> Yes - the core can be connected to a dumb I2C regulator, which the
> core can turn on and off with a request line, but can't control the
> voltage without a regulator driver controlling the I2C bus.

AIUI generally they end up working because whatever puts them into
suspend actually resets them so when you release reset during resume
they just recover whatever the default voltage they have is and normally
the boot and resume conditions for the CPU are identical.  I could be
off base there, most of the regulator API stuff has been done with
integrated PMICs.

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From: broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com (Mark Brown)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:08:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110124210833.GK29925@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinY5mJtC2fiV1iBnPbgwH9v3AmQQ7RR3pYJVACL@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:52:51PM -0800, Colin Cross wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Mark Brown

> > Normally that's handled by the same transition logic - the core PMIC
> > will usually sequence a bunch of voltage and power status changes when
> > entering its own low power mode and have a similar transition on resume
> > which will ensure that the regulators power back up with a sane setup
> > regardless of the state they were in beforehand.

> I believe Tegra supports this mode, where the Tegra PMC can master the
> I2C bus to control an external PMIC during resume, but I've never seen
> it used.

In almost all cases it's implemented in the PMIC rather than the CPU -
it's essentially the same logic as implements the initial power on of
the system and the PMIC needs to be capable of starting the system boot
without external assistance anyway, including sequencing the power up of
the CPU.

With most PMICs the settings will be hard coded into the silicon so
you really need to get a PMIC specifically designed for whatever CPU
you're using (this is one of the reasons you always see the same
CPU/PMIC combinations, people are terrified of changing a known good
pairing in case they build something that won't power on).  Some more
modern PMICs make this configurable which gives system designers a lot
more flexibility.

The PMC stuff is newer and in the designs I've seen is more focused on
runtime management than this stuff.

> > It sounds like for your systems what's happening is that the resume is
> > restoring the previously configured voltages for the core rails rather
> > than going to a known good state. ?Is my understanding correct here?
> > While your fix is good and I don't see any reason not to do it this does
> > sound like something we should have a solution for in common code as I'd
> > not be surprised if there were other hardware out there which did a
> > similar thing.

> Yes - the core can be connected to a dumb I2C regulator, which the
> core can turn on and off with a request line, but can't control the
> voltage without a regulator driver controlling the I2C bus.

AIUI generally they end up working because whatever puts them into
suspend actually resets them so when you release reset during resume
they just recover whatever the default voltage they have is and normally
the boot and resume conditions for the CPU are identical.  I could be
off base there, most of the regulator API stuff has been done with
integrated PMICs.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-24 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-24  2:01 [PATCH v2 00/28] Updates for Tegra support in 2.6.39 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Rename gic pointers to avoid conflicts Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  7:10   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  7:10     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/28] ARM: gic: Add functions to save and restore gic state Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-02-01 13:03   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-01 13:03     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/28] ARM: gic: Export irq chip functions Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  6:39   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-24  6:39     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/28] ARM: mm: cache-l2x0: Add support for re-enabling l2x0 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-25 15:14   ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 15:14     ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 15:41     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 15:41       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 18:14       ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 18:14         ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 18:32         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-25 18:32           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-25 18:39           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]           ` <-8932138696981683633@unknownmsgid>
2011-02-04 23:32             ` Colin Cross
2011-02-04 23:32               ` Colin Cross
2011-02-04 23:32               ` Colin Cross
2011-02-04 23:43               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-04 23:43                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                 ` <20110204234331.GF8732-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-05  1:44                   ` Colin Cross
2011-02-05  1:44                     ` Colin Cross
2011-02-05  1:44                     ` Colin Cross
     [not found]                     ` <AANLkTi=fHnivHXHnYrQvdP6JWbEA3t1X3DuBxj5gN3H0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-05  7:51                       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05  7:51                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05  7:51                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
     [not found]                         ` <1bebe4b5c8590059b70a146d5486fa6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-05  9:47                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-05  9:47                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-05  9:47                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-05 10:41                             ` [PATCH v2 04/28] ARM: mm: cache-l2x0: Add support forre-enabling l2x0 Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05 10:41                               ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05 16:36                               ` Colin Cross
2011-02-05 16:36                                 ` Colin Cross
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTik_r4k_5o+F47vRbGPcWLwfgHgWqhym49XfhBZ9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-07  6:13                                   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-07  6:13                                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-07  6:13                                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/28] ARM: tegra: Centralize macros to define debug uart base Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/28] ARM: tegra: Add api to control internal powergating Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/28] ARM: tegra: irqs: Update irq list Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/28] ARM: tegra: Add prototypes for subsystem suspend functions Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/28] ARM: tegra: clock: Suspend fixes, and add new clocks Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/28] ARM: tegra: pinmux: Add missing drive pingroups and fix suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/28] ARM: tegra: timer: Add idle and suspend support to timers Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 12/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Add support for suspend wake sources Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 13/28] ARM: tegra: Add suspend and hotplug support Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  7:31   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  7:31     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  9:07   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  9:07     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  9:26     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  9:26       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 10:15       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24 10:15         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 14/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Add set_wake and set_type support for suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 15/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Add debugfs file to show wake irqs Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 19:45   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-27 19:45     ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 16/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Implement retrigger Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 17/28] ARM: tegra: gpio: Add support for waking from suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 18/28] ARM: tegra: add CPU_IDLE driver Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 20:38   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-27 20:38     ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-27 21:51     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 21:51       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 22:07       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 22:07         ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 19/28] ARM: tegra: iomap: Add missing devices, fix use of SZ_8, SZ_64 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 14:41   ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 14:41     ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 18:50     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 18:50       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 19:35       ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 19:35         ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 19:52         ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 19:52           ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 20:26           ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 20:26             ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 20:52             ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 20:52               ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 21:08               ` Mark Brown [this message]
2011-01-24 21:08                 ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 21:24                 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 21:24                   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-25  4:26         ` Kyungmin Park
2011-01-25  4:26           ` Kyungmin Park
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 21/28] ARM: tegra: Allow overriding arch_reset Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 22/28] ARM: tegra: dma: Fix critical data corruption bugs Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 23/28] ARM: tegra: add tegra_defconfig Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 24/28] ARM: tegra: Use writel_relaxed in tegra_init_cache Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 25/28] ARM: tegra: suspend: Save protected aperture across LP0 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 26/28] ARM: tegra: suspend: protect suspend functions with CONFIG_PM Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 27/28] ARM: tegra: enable emc clock updates after lp0 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 28/28] ARM: tegra: clock: Add forward reference to struct clk Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 10:26   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24 10:26     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25  1:23     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-25  1:23       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  3:19   ` Grant Likely
2011-01-26  3:19     ` Grant Likely
2011-01-26  3:21     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  3:21       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  4:16       ` Grant Likely
2011-01-26  4:16         ` Grant Likely
2011-01-25 10:56 [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend MyungJoo Ham
2011-01-25 12:40 ` Mark Brown
2011-01-25 12:40   ` Mark Brown

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