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From: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
Cc: linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	konkers@android.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	olof@lixom.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:52:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTinY5mJtC2fiV1iBnPbgwH9v3AmQQ7RR3pYJVACL@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110124202610.GJ29925@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Mark Brown
<broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:52:12AM -0800, Colin Cross wrote:
>
>> Even _noirq isn't late enough, if cpufreq keeps trying to change the
>> frequency (and thus voltage) until sysdev suspend.
>
> If it were just cpufreq in isolation I'm not sure it'd be a big deal -
> nothing will go hideously wrong if it's ticking away by itself providing
> it's just governors working away providing the error handling is OK.
> However...
>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mark Brown
>
>> > So you actively need to push the processor into low power mode during
>> > suspend?  I'm still not 100% clear what's triggering the issues you're
>
>> It's more of a voltage scaling issue than a cpufreq issue directly.
>> Tegra requires the voltage be set to nominal during resume, and the
>> only time it can be set for resume is before I2C suspends.  I handle
>> the problem with a suspend notifier in the latest version of the clock
>> voltage scaling patches, but I kept this patch to avoid cpufreq trying
>> to go to frequencies that are not supported by the suspend voltage.
>
> ...it sounds like you do actually have something of the above issue -
> but I think it's a generic-ish problem.  See below.
>
>> > Typically this stuff isn't a problem for regulators themselves since if
>> > they're active by the time I2C is off they normally get suspended by
>> > hardware handshakes from the CPU as that enters low power mode - right
>> > now we have no regulators at all in mainline that do anything in
>> > software on suspend.  We can get a long way by just ignoring what
>> > happens to regulators over suspend (there is some work to do here but
>> > it's orthogonal to this sort of issue).
>
>> The regulator driver itself has nothing to do, and when the CPU enters
>> its lowest power mode it signals the regulator to turn off, but
>> something needs to tell the regulator to go to the correct voltage.
>
> Normally that's handled by the same transition logic - the core PMIC
> will usually sequence a bunch of voltage and power status changes when
> entering its own low power mode and have a similar transition on resume
> which will ensure that the regulators power back up with a sane setup
> regardless of the state they were in beforehand.

I believe Tegra supports this mode, where the Tegra PMC can master the
I2C bus to control an external PMIC during resume, but I've never seen
it used.

> It sounds like for your systems what's happening is that the resume is
> restoring the previously configured voltages for the core rails rather
> than going to a known good state.  Is my understanding correct here?
> While your fix is good and I don't see any reason not to do it this does
> sound like something we should have a solution for in common code as I'd
> not be surprised if there were other hardware out there which did a
> similar thing.

Yes - the core can be connected to a dumb I2C regulator, which the
core can turn on and off with a request line, but can't control the
voltage without a regulator driver controlling the I2C bus.

> Assuming I'm not completely off base with the above it'd be good if you
> could clarify this in the commit message - there's enough dragons with
> this stuff and it's common to refer to other implementations so it'd be
> nice if we had a clear record of the issue in the log.

Will do

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From: ccross@android.com (Colin Cross)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:52:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTinY5mJtC2fiV1iBnPbgwH9v3AmQQ7RR3pYJVACL@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110124202610.GJ29925@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Mark Brown
<broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:52:12AM -0800, Colin Cross wrote:
>
>> Even _noirq isn't late enough, if cpufreq keeps trying to change the
>> frequency (and thus voltage) until sysdev suspend.
>
> If it were just cpufreq in isolation I'm not sure it'd be a big deal -
> nothing will go hideously wrong if it's ticking away by itself providing
> it's just governors working away providing the error handling is OK.
> However...
>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mark Brown
>
>> > So you actively need to push the processor into low power mode during
>> > suspend? ?I'm still not 100% clear what's triggering the issues you're
>
>> It's more of a voltage scaling issue than a cpufreq issue directly.
>> Tegra requires the voltage be set to nominal during resume, and the
>> only time it can be set for resume is before I2C suspends. ?I handle
>> the problem with a suspend notifier in the latest version of the clock
>> voltage scaling patches, but I kept this patch to avoid cpufreq trying
>> to go to frequencies that are not supported by the suspend voltage.
>
> ...it sounds like you do actually have something of the above issue -
> but I think it's a generic-ish problem. ?See below.
>
>> > Typically this stuff isn't a problem for regulators themselves since if
>> > they're active by the time I2C is off they normally get suspended by
>> > hardware handshakes from the CPU as that enters low power mode - right
>> > now we have no regulators at all in mainline that do anything in
>> > software on suspend. ?We can get a long way by just ignoring what
>> > happens to regulators over suspend (there is some work to do here but
>> > it's orthogonal to this sort of issue).
>
>> The regulator driver itself has nothing to do, and when the CPU enters
>> its lowest power mode it signals the regulator to turn off, but
>> something needs to tell the regulator to go to the correct voltage.
>
> Normally that's handled by the same transition logic - the core PMIC
> will usually sequence a bunch of voltage and power status changes when
> entering its own low power mode and have a similar transition on resume
> which will ensure that the regulators power back up with a sane setup
> regardless of the state they were in beforehand.

I believe Tegra supports this mode, where the Tegra PMC can master the
I2C bus to control an external PMIC during resume, but I've never seen
it used.

> It sounds like for your systems what's happening is that the resume is
> restoring the previously configured voltages for the core rails rather
> than going to a known good state. ?Is my understanding correct here?
> While your fix is good and I don't see any reason not to do it this does
> sound like something we should have a solution for in common code as I'd
> not be surprised if there were other hardware out there which did a
> similar thing.

Yes - the core can be connected to a dumb I2C regulator, which the
core can turn on and off with a request line, but can't control the
voltage without a regulator driver controlling the I2C bus.

> Assuming I'm not completely off base with the above it'd be good if you
> could clarify this in the commit message - there's enough dragons with
> this stuff and it's common to refer to other implementations so it'd be
> nice if we had a clear record of the issue in the log.

Will do

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-24 20:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-24  2:01 [PATCH v2 00/28] Updates for Tegra support in 2.6.39 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Rename gic pointers to avoid conflicts Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  7:10   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  7:10     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/28] ARM: gic: Add functions to save and restore gic state Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-02-01 13:03   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-01 13:03     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/28] ARM: gic: Export irq chip functions Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  6:39   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-24  6:39     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/28] ARM: mm: cache-l2x0: Add support for re-enabling l2x0 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-25 15:14   ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 15:14     ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 15:41     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 15:41       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 18:14       ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 18:14         ` Catalin Marinas
2011-01-25 18:32         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-25 18:32           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-25 18:39           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]           ` <-8932138696981683633@unknownmsgid>
2011-02-04 23:32             ` Colin Cross
2011-02-04 23:32               ` Colin Cross
2011-02-04 23:32               ` Colin Cross
2011-02-04 23:43               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-04 23:43                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                 ` <20110204234331.GF8732-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-05  1:44                   ` Colin Cross
2011-02-05  1:44                     ` Colin Cross
2011-02-05  1:44                     ` Colin Cross
     [not found]                     ` <AANLkTi=fHnivHXHnYrQvdP6JWbEA3t1X3DuBxj5gN3H0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-05  7:51                       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05  7:51                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05  7:51                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
     [not found]                         ` <1bebe4b5c8590059b70a146d5486fa6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-05  9:47                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-05  9:47                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-05  9:47                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-02-05 10:41                             ` [PATCH v2 04/28] ARM: mm: cache-l2x0: Add support forre-enabling l2x0 Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05 10:41                               ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-05 16:36                               ` Colin Cross
2011-02-05 16:36                                 ` Colin Cross
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTik_r4k_5o+F47vRbGPcWLwfgHgWqhym49XfhBZ9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-07  6:13                                   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-07  6:13                                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-02-07  6:13                                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/28] ARM: tegra: Centralize macros to define debug uart base Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/28] ARM: tegra: Add api to control internal powergating Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/28] ARM: tegra: irqs: Update irq list Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/28] ARM: tegra: Add prototypes for subsystem suspend functions Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/28] ARM: tegra: clock: Suspend fixes, and add new clocks Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/28] ARM: tegra: pinmux: Add missing drive pingroups and fix suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/28] ARM: tegra: timer: Add idle and suspend support to timers Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 12/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Add support for suspend wake sources Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 13/28] ARM: tegra: Add suspend and hotplug support Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  7:31   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  7:31     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  9:07   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  9:07     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  9:26     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  9:26       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 10:15       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24 10:15         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 14/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Add set_wake and set_type support for suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 15/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Add debugfs file to show wake irqs Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 19:45   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-27 19:45     ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 16/28] ARM: tegra: irq: Implement retrigger Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 17/28] ARM: tegra: gpio: Add support for waking from suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 18/28] ARM: tegra: add CPU_IDLE driver Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 20:38   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-27 20:38     ` Stephen Boyd
2011-01-27 21:51     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 21:51       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 22:07       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-27 22:07         ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 19/28] ARM: tegra: iomap: Add missing devices, fix use of SZ_8, SZ_64 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 14:41   ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 14:41     ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 18:50     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 18:50       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 19:35       ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 19:35         ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 19:52         ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 19:52           ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 20:26           ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 20:26             ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 20:52             ` Colin Cross [this message]
2011-01-24 20:52               ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 21:08               ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 21:08                 ` Mark Brown
2011-01-24 21:24                 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 21:24                   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-25  4:26         ` Kyungmin Park
2011-01-25  4:26           ` Kyungmin Park
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 21/28] ARM: tegra: Allow overriding arch_reset Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 22/28] ARM: tegra: dma: Fix critical data corruption bugs Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 23/28] ARM: tegra: add tegra_defconfig Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 24/28] ARM: tegra: Use writel_relaxed in tegra_init_cache Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 25/28] ARM: tegra: suspend: Save protected aperture across LP0 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 26/28] ARM: tegra: suspend: protect suspend functions with CONFIG_PM Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 27/28] ARM: tegra: enable emc clock updates after lp0 Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01 ` [PATCH v2 28/28] ARM: tegra: clock: Add forward reference to struct clk Colin Cross
2011-01-24  2:01   ` Colin Cross
2011-01-24 10:26   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24 10:26     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25  1:23     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-25  1:23       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  3:19   ` Grant Likely
2011-01-26  3:19     ` Grant Likely
2011-01-26  3:21     ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  3:21       ` Colin Cross
2011-01-26  4:16       ` Grant Likely
2011-01-26  4:16         ` Grant Likely
2011-01-25 10:56 [PATCH v2 20/28] ARM: tegra: cpufreq: Disable cpufreq during suspend MyungJoo Ham
2011-01-25 12:40 ` Mark Brown
2011-01-25 12:40   ` Mark Brown

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