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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@redhat.com>,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: libata: implement on-demand HPA unlocking
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:46:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110210124644.0cec1287@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D532FFC.2020503@cfl.rr.com>

> What experience?  The only reason that I have heard for unlocking it is 

About ten years of distributions, drive hiding magic for old BIOSes and
other pain.

> to maintain compatibility with the old ide driver which did so.  What 
> reason does Linux have to access an area of the disk that the system has 
> made clear it should not?

It's unfortunate you won't listen but continue to spout stuff from a
standard no vendor, no OS and no product ever followed. ATA is not built
on strict adherance to formal standards, nor is the PC.

> What part to you disagree with?  That the compromise in place can have 
> the benefits of both, but the drawbacks of neither?

That there is any point doing anything but always unlocking.

> I understand that dmraid could work around the problem, but there should 
> not be a problem in the first place.  The system has asked that we not 
> touch that part of the disk

I see no point continuing this discussion if all you want to do is wave a
'standard' that isn't followed by anyone and breaks stuff and demand we
follow it. Always unlock in the kernel, make both sets of geometry
available via sysfs and then fix dmraid. It's an easy problem to solve
and because dmraid knows a lot about fakeraid stuff it also knows enough
to peer in various locations and figure out which to use - something that
the kernel quite intentionally does not.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-10 12:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-08 20:23 libata: implement on-demand HPA unlocking Phillip Susi
2011-02-09  8:59 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 15:20   ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 15:37     ` Alan Cox
2011-02-09 15:36       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 18:48         ` Jeff Garzik
2011-02-09 19:45           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10  9:44             ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10 18:47               ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:07                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 19:39         ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 19:36       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 20:47         ` Greg Freemyer
2011-02-09 21:12           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 21:13         ` Alan Cox
2011-02-09 21:28           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 21:39             ` Alan Cox
2011-02-10  0:23               ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 12:46                 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2011-02-10 18:58                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:19                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-11 18:16                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 12:49                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2011-02-10 19:20                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:35                     ` Alan Cox
2011-02-11 18:22                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:37                     ` Alan Cox
2011-02-09 21:41         ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10  0:35           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10  1:46             ` Robert Hancock
2011-02-10  9:13               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10 19:11                 ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:31                   ` Alan Cox
2011-02-11 18:18                     ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-11 18:25                       ` Alan Cox
2011-02-11 18:38                         ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:32                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10 19:34                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-11 18:30                     ` Phillip Susi

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