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From: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@redhat.com>,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: libata: implement on-demand HPA unlocking
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:47:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTik58FyjV=uVB8fv9hY_+ZDtJb1CP+7vV=PXnuF-@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D52ECB6.4010408@cfl.rr.com>

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> On 2/9/2011 10:37 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Unlocking the HPA is actually necessary for sanity on a lot of systems
>
> Right.. ones that were partitioned using an older kernel with the buggy
> behavior of unlocking it by default.
>
>> too, and there are really no standards. Remember the primary use of HPA
>> has actually been to hide most of the disk from buggy BIOSen so that the
>> OS can then unlock it after the BIOS has stopped looking.
>
> The ATA spec describes the HPA saying:
>
> A reserved area for data storage outside the normal operating system
> file system is required for several
> specialized applications.
>
> This tells me that it is intended for the bios to reserve an area of the
> disk that the OS should NOT access.  So far the only use of it that I
> have seen is by bioses to hide a small area, presumably to store
> platform specific information.  I see about a dozen reports on the
> ubuntu forums and bug tracker each year of people with HPA problems and
> it always seems to be a small area, as opposed to hiding everything
> above 128 MB or something.
>

Philip,

At some point (maybe 10 years ago), Dell used a HPA hidden partition
to hold a diagnostic partition of some sort.  I never used it, but I
remember coming across it several times.  I don't recall how big it
was.

I assume their thought was to have a recovery / diagnostic area that
normal users couldn't get to.  Now they just use a normal partition
for that.

I gather fakeraids now use a HPA protected to hold metadata for how
the raid is built, but I may have that wrong.

Greg

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-09 20:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-08 20:23 libata: implement on-demand HPA unlocking Phillip Susi
2011-02-09  8:59 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 15:20   ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 15:37     ` Alan Cox
2011-02-09 15:36       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 18:48         ` Jeff Garzik
2011-02-09 19:45           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10  9:44             ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10 18:47               ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:07                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 19:39         ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 19:36       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 20:47         ` Greg Freemyer [this message]
2011-02-09 21:12           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 21:13         ` Alan Cox
2011-02-09 21:28           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-09 21:39             ` Alan Cox
2011-02-10  0:23               ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 12:46                 ` Alan Cox
2011-02-10 18:58                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:19                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-11 18:16                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 12:49                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2011-02-10 19:20                   ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:35                     ` Alan Cox
2011-02-11 18:22                       ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:37                     ` Alan Cox
2011-02-09 21:41         ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10  0:35           ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10  1:46             ` Robert Hancock
2011-02-10  9:13               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10 19:11                 ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:31                   ` Alan Cox
2011-02-11 18:18                     ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-11 18:25                       ` Alan Cox
2011-02-11 18:38                         ` Phillip Susi
2011-02-10 19:32                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-10 19:34                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-11 18:30                     ` Phillip Susi

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