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From: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
To: Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Amit Kucheria <amit.kucheria@linaro.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	linaro-dev@lists.linaro.org,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org>,
	Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr@canonical.com>,
	Mike Turquette <mturquette@ti.com>,
	Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	patches@linaro.org, Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Richard Zhao <richard.zhao@linaro.org>,
	Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@freescale.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@stericsson.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:47:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120316234706.GJ3852@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1203161509470.4395@utopia.booyaka.com>

Hi Paul,

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:21:17PM -0600, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> 
> 
> If the common clock code is to go upstream now, it should be marked as 
> experimental.

No, please don't do this. This effectively marks the architectures using
the generic clock framework experimental. We can mark drivers as 'you
have been warned', but marking an architecture as experimental is the
wrong sign for both its users and people willing to adopt the framework.
Also we get this:

warning: (ARCH_MX1 && MACH_MX21 && ARCH_MX25 && MACH_MX27) selects COMMON_CLK which has unmet direct dependencies (EXPERIMENTAL)

(and no, I don't want to support to clock frameworks in parallel)

> This is because we know the API is not well-defined, and 
> that both the API and the underlying mechanics will almost certainly need 
> to change for non-trivial uses of the rate changing code (e.g., DVFS with 
> external I/O devices).

Please leave DVFS out of the game. DVFS will use the clock framework for
the F part and the regulator framework for the V part, but the clock
framework should not get extended with DVFS features. The notifiers we
currently have in the clock framework should give enough information
for DVFS implementations. Even if they don't and we have to change
something here this will have no influence on the architectures
implementing their clock tree with the common clock framework.

Sascha

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From: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Paul Walmsley <paul-DWxLp4Yu+b8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre
	<nicolas.pitre-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linaro-dev-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org,
	Saravana Kannan <skannan-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	patches-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linus Walleij
	<linus.walleij-0IS4wlFg1OjSUeElwK9/Pw@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown
	<broonie-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:47:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120316234706.GJ3852@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1203161509470.4395-rwI8Ez+7Ko+d5PgPZx9QOdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>

Hi Paul,

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:21:17PM -0600, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> 
> 
> If the common clock code is to go upstream now, it should be marked as 
> experimental.

No, please don't do this. This effectively marks the architectures using
the generic clock framework experimental. We can mark drivers as 'you
have been warned', but marking an architecture as experimental is the
wrong sign for both its users and people willing to adopt the framework.
Also we get this:

warning: (ARCH_MX1 && MACH_MX21 && ARCH_MX25 && MACH_MX27) selects COMMON_CLK which has unmet direct dependencies (EXPERIMENTAL)

(and no, I don't want to support to clock frameworks in parallel)

> This is because we know the API is not well-defined, and 
> that both the API and the underlying mechanics will almost certainly need 
> to change for non-trivial uses of the rate changing code (e.g., DVFS with 
> external I/O devices).

Please leave DVFS out of the game. DVFS will use the clock framework for
the F part and the regulator framework for the V part, but the clock
framework should not get extended with DVFS features. The notifiers we
currently have in the clock framework should give enough information
for DVFS implementations. Even if they don't and we have to change
something here this will have no influence on the architectures
implementing their clock tree with the common clock framework.

Sascha

-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |
Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0    |
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From: s.hauer@pengutronix.de (Sascha Hauer)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:47:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120316234706.GJ3852@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1203161509470.4395@utopia.booyaka.com>

Hi Paul,

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:21:17PM -0600, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> 
> 
> If the common clock code is to go upstream now, it should be marked as 
> experimental.

No, please don't do this. This effectively marks the architectures using
the generic clock framework experimental. We can mark drivers as 'you
have been warned', but marking an architecture as experimental is the
wrong sign for both its users and people willing to adopt the framework.
Also we get this:

warning: (ARCH_MX1 && MACH_MX21 && ARCH_MX25 && MACH_MX27) selects COMMON_CLK which has unmet direct dependencies (EXPERIMENTAL)

(and no, I don't want to support to clock frameworks in parallel)

> This is because we know the API is not well-defined, and 
> that both the API and the underlying mechanics will almost certainly need 
> to change for non-trivial uses of the rate changing code (e.g., DVFS with 
> external I/O devices).

Please leave DVFS out of the game. DVFS will use the clock framework for
the F part and the regulator framework for the V part, but the clock
framework should not get extended with DVFS features. The notifiers we
currently have in the clock framework should give enough information
for DVFS implementations. Even if they don't and we have to change
something here this will have no influence on the architectures
implementing their clock tree with the common clock framework.

Sascha

-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |
Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0    |
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-16 23:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 242+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-16  6:11 [PATCH v7 0/3] common clk framework Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11 ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11 ` [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11   ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  8:25   ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-16  8:25     ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-16 10:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-16 10:29       ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-16 11:14       ` Amit Kucheria
2012-03-16 11:14         ` Amit Kucheria
2012-03-16 12:18         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 12:18           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 20:57           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 20:57             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 21:40             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 21:40               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 21:50             ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-16 21:50               ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-16 22:21             ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-16 22:21               ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-16 22:21               ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-16 22:33               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 22:33                 ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17  9:05                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17  9:05                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17  9:05                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 18:02                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17 18:02                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17 18:02                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17 18:33                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 18:33                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 18:33                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 20:29                     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17 20:29                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17 20:29                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17 21:13                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 21:13                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 21:13                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-20 23:40                   ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:40                     ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  8:59                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-21  8:59                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 23:47               ` Sascha Hauer [this message]
2012-03-16 23:47                 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-16 23:47                 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17  0:54                 ` Rob Herring
2012-03-17  0:54                   ` Rob Herring
2012-03-17  0:54                   ` Rob Herring
2012-03-17  3:38                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-17  3:38                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-17  3:38                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:31                 ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:31                   ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:31                   ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  3:15                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21  3:15                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21  3:15                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21  3:26                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:26                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:26                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  7:44                       ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:44                         ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:44                         ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  9:10                         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21  9:10                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21  9:10                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21 18:38                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 18:38                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 18:38                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:07                           ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:07                             ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:07                             ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:33                             ` Tony Lindgren
2012-03-21 19:33                               ` Tony Lindgren
2012-03-21 19:33                               ` Tony Lindgren
2012-03-21 19:41                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:41                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:41                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:56                                 ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:56                                   ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:56                                   ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 20:04                                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 20:04                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 20:04                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 20:10                                     ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 20:10                                       ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 20:10                                       ` Mark Brown
2012-03-22  0:42                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-22  0:42                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-22  0:42                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-21  7:30                     ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:30                       ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:30                       ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21 13:23                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21 13:23                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21 13:23                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-16  6:11 ` [PATCH v7 2/3] clk: introduce the common clock framework Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11   ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-17  3:28   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-17  3:28     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 18:56     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 18:56       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:13       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 19:13         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 19:33         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:33           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:49           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 19:49             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38           ` [PATCH 1/2] clk: Fix error handling in fixed clock hardware type register fn Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38             ` [PATCH 2/2] clk: Move init fields from clk to clk_hw Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:20               ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  7:20                 ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  7:54                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:54                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:54                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  8:13                   ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  8:13                     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  9:40                   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  9:40                     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 10:17                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 10:17                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 10:17                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 18:14                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 18:14                         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 20:14                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 20:14                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 22:40                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 22:40                             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-22  3:23                             ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-22  3:23                               ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 14:18                     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 14:18                       ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 18:10                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 18:10                         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 20:06                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 20:06                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:12                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 23:12                             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21  1:47                             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  1:47                               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  3:01                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:01                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27  4:35                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27  4:35                                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27 18:49                                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-27 18:49                                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-27 22:27                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27 22:27                                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-06  1:30                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-06  1:30                                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 17:59                                       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 17:59                                         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 19:57                                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 19:57                                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 19:57                                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 20:17                                           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 20:17                                             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 20:21                                             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 20:21                                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 20:21                                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:47                         ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:47                           ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  9:16                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21  9:16                             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  7:19             ` [PATCH 1/2] clk: Fix error handling in fixed clock hardware type register fn Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  7:19               ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  7:46               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:46                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:46                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  0:13                 ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  0:13                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  2:32                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  2:32                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  5:45                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  5:45                       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  6:33                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  6:33                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  6:33                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  9:07                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-21  9:07                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-21 19:56                         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21 19:56                           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-18 13:46   ` [PATCH v7 2/3] clk: introduce the common clock framework Shawn Guo
2012-03-18 13:46     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-19 18:58     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 18:58       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-18 14:07   ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-18 14:07     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-19 19:00     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:00       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 11:22   ` Rajendra Nayak
2012-03-19 11:22     ` Rajendra Nayak
2012-03-19 11:28     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-19 11:28       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-19 19:09       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:09         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:53     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:53       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 14:02   ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 14:02     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 17:46     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 17:46       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:53       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 23:53         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  3:10         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:10           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:33           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:33             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:39             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 21:39               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 21:51               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:51                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 22:12               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 22:12                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 22:32                 ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 22:32                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 23:04                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 23:04                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 23:28                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 23:28                       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28  3:06                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28  3:06                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28 17:08                         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28 17:08                           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28 22:25                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28 22:25                             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28 23:49                             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28 23:49                               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 23:46     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 23:46       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  5:46       ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-21  5:46         ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-16  6:11 ` [PATCH v7 3/3] clk: basic clock hardware types Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11   ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-16 12:25   ` Richard Zhao
2012-03-16 12:25     ` Richard Zhao
2012-03-16 16:51     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 16:51       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 10:57 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] common clk framework Sascha Hauer
2012-03-16 10:57   ` Sascha Hauer

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