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From: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
To: Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>
Cc: Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Amit Kucheria <amit.kucheria@linaro.org>,
	linaro-dev@lists.linaro.org,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr@canonical.com>,
	Mike Turquette <mturquette@ti.com>,
	Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	patches@linaro.org, Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Richard Zhao <richard.zhao@linaro.org>,
	Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@freescale.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@stericsson.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120321091037.GQ3852@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1203210130520.30543@utopia.booyaka.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 01:44:01AM -0600, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> Hello Saravana,
> 
> Certainly a Kconfig help text change seems trivial enough.  But even the 
> resistance to CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL has been quite surprising to me, given 
> that every single defconfig in arch/arm/defconfig sets it:
> 
> $ find arch/arm/configs -type f  | wc -l
> 122
> $ fgrep -r CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y arch/arm/configs | wc -l
> 122
> $
> 
> (that includes iMX, by the way...)
> 
> Certainly, neither Kconfig change is going to prevent us on OMAP from 
> figuring out what else is needed to convert our platform to the common 
> clock code.  And given the level of enthusiasm on the lists, I don't think 
> it's going to prevent many of the other ARM platforms from experimenting 
> with the conversion, either.
> 
> So it would be interesting to know more about why you (or anyone else) 
> perceive that the Kconfig changes would be harmful.

Mainly because COMMON_CLK is an invisible option which has to be
selected by architectures. So with the Kconfig change we either have to:

config ARCH_MXC
	depends on EXPERIMENTAL

or:

config ARCH_MXC
	select EXPERIMENTAL
	select COMMON_CLK

Neither of both seems very appealing to me.

You can add a warning to the Kconfig help text if you like, I
have no problem with that. As you said it will prevent noone
from using it anyway.

Sascha


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From: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Paul Walmsley <paul-DWxLp4Yu+b8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre
	<nicolas.pitre-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linaro-dev-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org,
	Saravana Kannan <skannan-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	patches-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linus Walleij
	<linus.walleij-0IS4wlFg1OjSUeElwK9/Pw@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown
	<broonie-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120321091037.GQ3852@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1203210130520.30543-rwI8Ez+7Ko+d5PgPZx9QOdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 01:44:01AM -0600, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> Hello Saravana,
> 
> Certainly a Kconfig help text change seems trivial enough.  But even the 
> resistance to CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL has been quite surprising to me, given 
> that every single defconfig in arch/arm/defconfig sets it:
> 
> $ find arch/arm/configs -type f  | wc -l
> 122
> $ fgrep -r CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y arch/arm/configs | wc -l
> 122
> $
> 
> (that includes iMX, by the way...)
> 
> Certainly, neither Kconfig change is going to prevent us on OMAP from 
> figuring out what else is needed to convert our platform to the common 
> clock code.  And given the level of enthusiasm on the lists, I don't think 
> it's going to prevent many of the other ARM platforms from experimenting 
> with the conversion, either.
> 
> So it would be interesting to know more about why you (or anyone else) 
> perceive that the Kconfig changes would be harmful.

Mainly because COMMON_CLK is an invisible option which has to be
selected by architectures. So with the Kconfig change we either have to:

config ARCH_MXC
	depends on EXPERIMENTAL

or:

config ARCH_MXC
	select EXPERIMENTAL
	select COMMON_CLK

Neither of both seems very appealing to me.

You can add a warning to the Kconfig help text if you like, I
have no problem with that. As you said it will prevent noone
from using it anyway.

Sascha


-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |
Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0    |
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From: s.hauer@pengutronix.de (Sascha Hauer)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120321091037.GQ3852@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1203210130520.30543@utopia.booyaka.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 01:44:01AM -0600, Paul Walmsley wrote:
> Hello Saravana,
> 
> Certainly a Kconfig help text change seems trivial enough.  But even the 
> resistance to CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL has been quite surprising to me, given 
> that every single defconfig in arch/arm/defconfig sets it:
> 
> $ find arch/arm/configs -type f  | wc -l
> 122
> $ fgrep -r CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y arch/arm/configs | wc -l
> 122
> $
> 
> (that includes iMX, by the way...)
> 
> Certainly, neither Kconfig change is going to prevent us on OMAP from 
> figuring out what else is needed to convert our platform to the common 
> clock code.  And given the level of enthusiasm on the lists, I don't think 
> it's going to prevent many of the other ARM platforms from experimenting 
> with the conversion, either.
> 
> So it would be interesting to know more about why you (or anyone else) 
> perceive that the Kconfig changes would be harmful.

Mainly because COMMON_CLK is an invisible option which has to be
selected by architectures. So with the Kconfig change we either have to:

config ARCH_MXC
	depends on EXPERIMENTAL

or:

config ARCH_MXC
	select EXPERIMENTAL
	select COMMON_CLK

Neither of both seems very appealing to me.

You can add a warning to the Kconfig help text if you like, I
have no problem with that. As you said it will prevent noone
from using it anyway.

Sascha


-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-21  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 242+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-16  6:11 [PATCH v7 0/3] common clk framework Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11 ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11 ` [PATCH v7 1/3] Documentation: common clk API Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11   ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  8:25   ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-16  8:25     ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-16 10:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-16 10:29       ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-16 11:14       ` Amit Kucheria
2012-03-16 11:14         ` Amit Kucheria
2012-03-16 12:18         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 12:18           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 20:57           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 20:57             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 21:40             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 21:40               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 21:50             ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-16 21:50               ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-16 22:21             ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-16 22:21               ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-16 22:21               ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-16 22:33               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 22:33                 ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17  9:05                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17  9:05                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17  9:05                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 18:02                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17 18:02                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17 18:02                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-17 18:33                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 18:33                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 18:33                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 20:29                     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17 20:29                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17 20:29                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17 21:13                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 21:13                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-17 21:13                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-20 23:40                   ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:40                     ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  8:59                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-21  8:59                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-03-16 23:47               ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-16 23:47                 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-16 23:47                 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-17  0:54                 ` Rob Herring
2012-03-17  0:54                   ` Rob Herring
2012-03-17  0:54                   ` Rob Herring
2012-03-17  3:38                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-17  3:38                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-17  3:38                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:31                 ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:31                   ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:31                   ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  3:15                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21  3:15                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21  3:15                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21  3:26                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:26                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:26                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  7:44                       ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:44                         ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:44                         ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  9:10                         ` Sascha Hauer [this message]
2012-03-21  9:10                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21  9:10                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21 18:38                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 18:38                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 18:38                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:07                           ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:07                             ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:07                             ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:33                             ` Tony Lindgren
2012-03-21 19:33                               ` Tony Lindgren
2012-03-21 19:33                               ` Tony Lindgren
2012-03-21 19:41                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:41                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:41                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 19:56                                 ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:56                                   ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 19:56                                   ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 20:04                                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 20:04                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 20:04                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21 20:10                                     ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 20:10                                       ` Mark Brown
2012-03-21 20:10                                       ` Mark Brown
2012-03-22  0:42                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-22  0:42                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-22  0:42                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-21  7:30                     ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:30                       ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  7:30                       ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21 13:23                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21 13:23                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-21 13:23                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-03-16  6:11 ` [PATCH v7 2/3] clk: introduce the common clock framework Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11   ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-17  3:28   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-17  3:28     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 18:56     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 18:56       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:13       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 19:13         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 19:33         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:33           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:49           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-19 19:49             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38           ` [PATCH 1/2] clk: Fix error handling in fixed clock hardware type register fn Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38             ` [PATCH 2/2] clk: Move init fields from clk to clk_hw Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  3:38               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:20               ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  7:20                 ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  7:54                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:54                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:54                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  8:13                   ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  8:13                     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20  9:40                   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  9:40                     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 10:17                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 10:17                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 10:17                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 18:14                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 18:14                         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 20:14                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 20:14                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 22:40                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 22:40                             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-22  3:23                             ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-22  3:23                               ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 14:18                     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 14:18                       ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 18:10                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 18:10                         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 20:06                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 20:06                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:12                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20 23:12                             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21  1:47                             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  1:47                               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  3:01                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:01                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27  4:35                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27  4:35                                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27 18:49                                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-27 18:49                                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-27 22:27                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-27 22:27                                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-06  1:30                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-06  1:30                                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 17:59                                       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 17:59                                         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 19:57                                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 19:57                                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 19:57                                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 20:17                                           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 20:17                                             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-04-11 20:21                                             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 20:21                                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-04-11 20:21                                               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:47                         ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-20 23:47                           ` Paul Walmsley
2012-03-21  9:16                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-21  9:16                             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  7:19             ` [PATCH 1/2] clk: Fix error handling in fixed clock hardware type register fn Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  7:19               ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-20  7:46               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:46                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20  7:46                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  0:13                 ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  0:13                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  2:32                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  2:32                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  5:45                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  5:45                       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  6:33                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  6:33                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  6:33                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  9:07                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-21  9:07                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-03-21 19:56                         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21 19:56                           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-18 13:46   ` [PATCH v7 2/3] clk: introduce the common clock framework Shawn Guo
2012-03-18 13:46     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-19 18:58     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 18:58       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-18 14:07   ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-18 14:07     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-19 19:00     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:00       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 11:22   ` Rajendra Nayak
2012-03-19 11:22     ` Rajendra Nayak
2012-03-19 11:28     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-19 11:28       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-03-19 19:09       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:09         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:53     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-19 19:53       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 14:02   ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 14:02     ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-20 17:46     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 17:46       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-20 23:53       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 23:53         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  3:10         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-21  3:10           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:33           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:33             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:39             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 21:39               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 21:51               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 21:51                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 22:12               ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 22:12                 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 22:32                 ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 22:32                   ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 23:04                   ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 23:04                     ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-23 23:28                     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-23 23:28                       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28  3:06                       ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28  3:06                         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28 17:08                         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28 17:08                           ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28 22:25                           ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28 22:25                             ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-28 23:49                             ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-28 23:49                               ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 23:46     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-20 23:46       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-21  5:46       ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-21  5:46         ` Shawn Guo
2012-03-16  6:11 ` [PATCH v7 3/3] clk: basic clock hardware types Mike Turquette
2012-03-16  6:11   ` Mike Turquette
2012-03-16 12:25   ` Richard Zhao
2012-03-16 12:25     ` Richard Zhao
2012-03-16 16:51     ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 16:51       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-03-16 10:57 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] common clk framework Sascha Hauer
2012-03-16 10:57   ` Sascha Hauer

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