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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Cc: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>,
	David Henningsson <david.henningsson@canonical.com>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda - Defer probe when loading patch firmware
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:36:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120809073642.GA24695@avionic-0098.mockup.avionic-design.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s5hd330frn1.wl%tiwai@suse.de>

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On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 09:31:30AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:08:13 +0200,
> Thierry Reding wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Thu,  9 Aug 2012 08:45:23 +0200,
> > > Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Recent changes to the firmware loading helpers cause drivers to stall
> > > > when firmware is loaded during the module_init() call. The snd-hda-intel
> > > > module requests firmware if the patch= parameter is used to load a patch
> > > > file. This patch works around the problem by deferring the probe in such
> > > > cases, which will cause the module to load successfully and the driver
> > > > binding to the device outside the module_init() call.
> > > 
> > > Is the "recent" change meant 3.6 kernel, or in linux-next?
> > > 
> > > In anyway, I don't understand why such a change was allowed.  Most
> > > drivers do call request_firmware() at the device probing time.
> > > If this really has to be resolved in the driver side, it must be a bug
> > > in the firmware loader core code.
> > 
> > A good explanation of the problem and subsequent discussion can be found
> > here:
> > 
> > 	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/49975
> 
> Yeah, but it doesn't justify this ugly module option.
> It's a simple bug.  Papering over it with this option doesn't fix
> anything.

It's not an option, all it does is defer probing if and only if the
patch parameter was specified to make sure the firmware load won't
stall. I realize that this may not be an optimal solution, but at least
it fixes the problem with no fallout.

A proper fix would require a larger rewrite because it would entail
using the asynchronous firmware load operations. That in turn would
require the initialization to be split into several stages.

Thierry

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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Henningsson <david.henningsson@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: hda - Defer probe when loading patch firmware
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:36:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120809073642.GA24695@avionic-0098.mockup.avionic-design.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s5hd330frn1.wl%tiwai@suse.de>


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On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 09:31:30AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:08:13 +0200,
> Thierry Reding wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Thu,  9 Aug 2012 08:45:23 +0200,
> > > Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Recent changes to the firmware loading helpers cause drivers to stall
> > > > when firmware is loaded during the module_init() call. The snd-hda-intel
> > > > module requests firmware if the patch= parameter is used to load a patch
> > > > file. This patch works around the problem by deferring the probe in such
> > > > cases, which will cause the module to load successfully and the driver
> > > > binding to the device outside the module_init() call.
> > > 
> > > Is the "recent" change meant 3.6 kernel, or in linux-next?
> > > 
> > > In anyway, I don't understand why such a change was allowed.  Most
> > > drivers do call request_firmware() at the device probing time.
> > > If this really has to be resolved in the driver side, it must be a bug
> > > in the firmware loader core code.
> > 
> > A good explanation of the problem and subsequent discussion can be found
> > here:
> > 
> > 	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/49975
> 
> Yeah, but it doesn't justify this ugly module option.
> It's a simple bug.  Papering over it with this option doesn't fix
> anything.

It's not an option, all it does is defer probing if and only if the
patch parameter was specified to make sure the firmware load won't
stall. I realize that this may not be an optimal solution, but at least
it fixes the problem with no fallout.

A proper fix would require a larger rewrite because it would entail
using the asynchronous firmware load operations. That in turn would
require the initialization to be split into several stages.

Thierry

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-09  7:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-09  6:45 [PATCH] ALSA: hda - Defer probe when loading patch firmware Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  6:45 ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  6:57 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  6:57   ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  7:08   ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  7:08     ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  7:31     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  7:31       ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  7:36       ` Thierry Reding [this message]
2012-08-09  7:36         ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  7:42         ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  7:42           ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  7:50           ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  7:50             ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  7:57             ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  7:57               ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  8:07           ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  8:07             ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09  8:21             ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  8:21               ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  9:19               ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09  9:19                 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 10:34               ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 10:34                 ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 12:32                 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 12:32                   ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 12:49                   ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 12:49                     ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 13:06                     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:06                       ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:09                   ` [PATCH 0/2] HD-audio firmware loading fixes Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:10                     ` [PATCH 1/2] ALSA: hda - Load firmware in hda_intel.c Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 14:26                       ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 14:26                         ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 13:11                     ` [PATCH 2/2] ALSA: hda - Deferred probing with request_firmware_nowait() Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:26                       ` David Henningsson
2012-08-09 13:32                         ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:32                           ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:36                           ` [PATCH 2/2 v2] " Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:36                             ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 13:54                             ` David Henningsson
2012-08-09 13:54                               ` David Henningsson
2012-08-09 14:04                               ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 14:04                                 ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 14:04                               ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 14:04                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 14:10                                 ` [PATCH 2/2 v3] " Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 14:10                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 14:19                                   ` David Henningsson
2012-08-09 14:19                                     ` David Henningsson
2012-08-09 14:25                                   ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 14:25                                     ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 14:34                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 14:34                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2012-08-09 14:38                                       ` Thierry Reding
2012-08-09 14:38                                         ` Thierry Reding

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