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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>
Cc: Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole.se>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@gmail.com>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	Jesper Nilsson <jesper.nilsson@axis.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Hirokazu Takata <takata@linux-m32r.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@parisc-linux.org>,
	Richard Kuo <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Lennox Wu <lennox.wu@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>, Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Guan Xuetao <gxt@mprc.pku.edu.cn>
Subject: Re: new execve/kernel_thread design
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:19:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121017161953.GZ2616@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121017160702.GY2616@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 05:07:03PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> What happens during boot is this:
> 	* init_task (not to be confused with init) is used as current during
> infrastructure initializations.  Once everything needed for scheduler and
> for working fork is set, we spawn two threads - future init and future
> kthreadd.  The last thing we do with init_task is telling init that kthreadd
> has been spawned.  After that init_task turns itself into an idle thread.
> 	* future init waits for kthreadd to be spawned (it would be more
> natural to fork them in opposite order, but we want init to have PID 1 -
> too much stuff in userland depends on that).  Then it does the rest of
> initialization, including setting up initramfs contents.  And does
> kernel_execve() on /init.  Note that this is a task that had been created
> by kernel_thread() and is currently in function called from
> ret_from_kernel_thread().  Its kernel stack has been set up by copy_thread().
> That's where pt_regs need to be set up; note that they'll be passed to
> start_thread() before you return to userland.  If there are any magic bits
> in pt_regs needed by return-from-syscall code, set them in kthread case of
> copy_thread().

PS: I suspect that we end up with the wrong value in childregs->msr;
start_thread() only add MSR_UMS there.  I'd suggest running the kernel
with these patches + printk childregs->msr the very first time start_thread()
is called and see what it prints, then working kernel + such printk and
compare the results...

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>
Cc: Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole.se>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@gmail.com>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	Jesper Nilsson <jesper.nilsson@axis.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Hirokazu Takata <takata@linux-m32r.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@parisc-linux.org>,
	Richard Kuo <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Lennox Wu <lennox.wu@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>, Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>, Guan Xuetao <gx>
Subject: Re: new execve/kernel_thread design
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:19:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121017161953.GZ2616@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121017160702.GY2616@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 05:07:03PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> What happens during boot is this:
> 	* init_task (not to be confused with init) is used as current during
> infrastructure initializations.  Once everything needed for scheduler and
> for working fork is set, we spawn two threads - future init and future
> kthreadd.  The last thing we do with init_task is telling init that kthreadd
> has been spawned.  After that init_task turns itself into an idle thread.
> 	* future init waits for kthreadd to be spawned (it would be more
> natural to fork them in opposite order, but we want init to have PID 1 -
> too much stuff in userland depends on that).  Then it does the rest of
> initialization, including setting up initramfs contents.  And does
> kernel_execve() on /init.  Note that this is a task that had been created
> by kernel_thread() and is currently in function called from
> ret_from_kernel_thread().  Its kernel stack has been set up by copy_thread().
> That's where pt_regs need to be set up; note that they'll be passed to
> start_thread() before you return to userland.  If there are any magic bits
> in pt_regs needed by return-from-syscall code, set them in kthread case of
> copy_thread().

PS: I suspect that we end up with the wrong value in childregs->msr;
start_thread() only add MSR_UMS there.  I'd suggest running the kernel
with these patches + printk childregs->msr the very first time start_thread()
is called and see what it prints, then working kernel + such printk and
compare the results...

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-17 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-16 22:35 new execve/kernel_thread design Al Viro
2012-10-17  5:32 ` Max Filippov
2012-10-17  5:43   ` Al Viro
2012-10-17 14:07 ` Jonas Bonn
2012-10-17 14:27   ` Michal Simek
2012-10-17 14:27     ` Michal Simek
2012-10-17 16:07     ` Al Viro
2012-10-17 16:07       ` Al Viro
2012-10-17 16:19       ` Al Viro [this message]
2012-10-17 16:19         ` Al Viro
2012-11-15 16:41         ` Michal Simek
2012-11-15 16:41           ` Michal Simek
2012-11-15 21:55           ` Al Viro
2012-11-15 21:55             ` Al Viro
2012-11-16  7:59             ` Michal Simek
2012-11-18  5:45               ` sigaltstack fun (was Re: new execve/kernel_thread design) Al Viro
2012-11-18 18:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-18 19:03                   ` sigaltstack fun David Miller
2012-11-18 19:59                     ` Al Viro
2012-11-18 20:48                       ` David Miller
2012-11-19  4:55                         ` Greg KH
2012-11-18 21:02                       ` Al Viro
2012-11-18 21:18                         ` David Miller
2012-11-19  1:10                           ` Al Viro
2012-11-19  1:30                             ` David Miller
2012-11-19  2:35                               ` Al Viro
2012-11-19  3:27                                 ` David Miller
2012-11-26  5:10                                   ` Al Viro
2012-11-26  5:15                                     ` Al Viro
2012-12-04  3:03                                       ` David Miller
2012-12-04  2:58                                     ` David Miller
2012-11-21  1:53                   ` sigaltstack fun (was Re: new execve/kernel_thread design) Al Viro
2012-10-19 15:49 ` new execve/kernel_thread design Al Viro
2012-10-19 17:16   ` Luck, Tony
2012-10-19 17:30     ` Al Viro
2012-10-19 18:01       ` Tony Luck
2012-10-19 18:33         ` Al Viro
2012-10-19 20:25 ` [PATCH] tile: support GENERIC_KERNEL_THREAD and GENERIC_KERNEL_EXECVE Chris Metcalf
2012-10-19 20:25   ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-19 21:35   ` Al Viro
2012-10-20 13:06     ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-20 13:06       ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-20 15:34       ` Al Viro
2012-10-20 17:16         ` Al Viro
2012-10-23 17:30           ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-23 17:30             ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-23 18:41             ` Al Viro
2012-10-23 19:22               ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-23 19:22                 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-23 20:36                 ` Al Viro
2012-10-25 13:31                   ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-25 13:31                     ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-25 14:25                     ` Al Viro
2012-10-23 20:47               ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-10-23 20:51                 ` Jeff King
2012-10-23 21:09                   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-10-23 21:22                     ` Jeff King
2012-10-24 11:18                       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-10-23 21:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-10-23 21:47                     ` Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:06                       ` Marc Gauthier
2012-10-23 22:23                         ` Jeff King
2012-10-24  6:02                           ` Johannes Sixt
2012-10-24  1:02                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-24  1:56                       ` Al Viro
2012-10-24  2:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-24  6:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-10-23 17:30           ` [PATCH] arch/tile: eliminate pt_regs trampolines for syscalls Chris Metcalf
2012-10-23 17:30             ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-22 14:23         ` [PATCH] tile: support GENERIC_KERNEL_THREAD and GENERIC_KERNEL_EXECVE Catalin Marinas
2012-10-19 20:25 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-10-25 16:54 ` new execve/kernel_thread design Richard Kuo
2012-10-26 18:31 ` [update] " Al Viro
2012-10-26 18:31   ` Al Viro
2012-10-27  3:32   ` Al Viro
2012-10-27  3:32     ` Al Viro
2012-10-29  7:53   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-10-29  7:53     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-10-29 13:25     ` Al Viro
2012-10-29 13:25       ` Al Viro
2012-10-29 14:38       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-10-29 14:38         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-10-29 14:57         ` Al Viro
2012-10-29 14:57           ` Al Viro
2012-12-07 22:23   ` Al Viro
2012-12-07 22:23     ` Al Viro
2012-12-08  2:40     ` Chris Metcalf
2012-12-08  2:40       ` Chris Metcalf
2012-12-08  2:40       ` Chris Metcalf
2012-12-13  1:54     ` Hirokazu Takata
2012-12-13  1:54       ` Hirokazu Takata
2012-10-19 15:55 Al Viro
2012-10-21 10:35 ` James Bottomley

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