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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
Cc: Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com>,
	Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>, Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>,
	Matt Porter <mporter@ti.com>,
	Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>, Russ Dill <Russ.Dill@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:05:15 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121113000515.GP4696@truffula.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACxGe6v7q2=Dxn6BE_V-w9CEKxAsZ6zQd5Uqm4TeYGYCCu76cg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:08:14PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:26 AM, David Gibson
> <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> >> Summary points:
> >> - Create an FDT overlay data format and usage model
> >>   - SHALL reliable resolve or validate of phandles between base and
> >>     overlay trees
> >
> > So, I'm not at all clear on what this proposed phandle validation
> > would involve.  I'm also not convinced it's as necessary as you
> > think, more on that below.
> 
> Simply this: I'm taking this example from the omap3-beagle-xm.dts. It
> has the following stanza which is currently rolled into the resulting
> .dtb when compiled.
> 
> &i2c1 {
>         clock-frequency = <2600000>;
> 
>         twl: twl@48 {
>                 reg = <0x48>;
>                 interrupts = <7>; /* SYS_NIRQ cascaded to intc */
>                 interrupt-parent = <&intc>;
> 
>                 vsim: regulator-vsim {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-vsim";
>                         regulator-min-microvolt = <1800000>;
>                         regulator-max-microvolt = <3000000>;
>                 };
> 
>                 twl_audio: audio {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-audio";
>                         codec {
>                         };
>                 };
>         };
> };
> 
> However, if it were compiled into a separate dtb overlay it might look
> like this:
> 
> / {
>     .readonly;
>     ocp {
>         .readonly;
>         interrupt-controller@48200000 {
>             phandle = <0x1234>; /* EXPECTED PHANDLE */
>             .readonly;
>         };
>         i2c@48070000 {
>             .must-exist;
>             clock-frequency = <2600000>;
> 
>             twl@48 {
>                 reg = <0x48>;
>                 interrupts = <7>;
>                 interrupt-parent = <0x1234>;   /* RESOLVED PHANDLE */
> 
>                 vsim: regulator-vsim {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-vsim";
>                         regulator-min-microvolt = <1800000>;
>                         regulator-max-microvolt = <3000000>;
>                 };
> 
>                 twl_audio: audio {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-audio";
>                         codec {
>                         };
>                 };
>             };
>         };
>     };
> };
> 
> Notice I've included the intc node and it's phandle. By phandle
> validation I merely mean that when applying an overly the firmware or
> kernel must verify that the phandles in the overlay match the phandle
> in the base tree. If they don't match, then refuse to apply the
> overhead. This approach avoids the need to find and fixup phandles in
> the overlay. And if the phandle is generated from a hash of the
> full_name, then the resulting phandle will only change if the node
> moves.
> 
> Similarly, at application time it should be verified that the nodes
> with a .readonly or .must-exist property could be verified to actually
> exist before attempting to apply the overlay. I used two different
> properties with the idea that only certain nodes would need to be
> modified... exactly what the policies should be is yet to be
> determined.

Ok, I see.  I really don't like it much, but I understand.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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From: David Gibson <david-xT8FGy+AXnRB3Ne2BGzF6laj5H9X9Tb+@public.gmane.org>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Matt Porter <mporter-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Koen Kooi
	<koen-QLwJDigV5abLmq1fohREcCpxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	Pantelis Antoniou
	<panto-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	Russ Dill <Russ.Dill-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:05:15 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121113000515.GP4696@truffula.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACxGe6v7q2=Dxn6BE_V-w9CEKxAsZ6zQd5Uqm4TeYGYCCu76cg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:08:14PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:26 AM, David Gibson
> <david-xT8FGy+AXnRB3Ne2BGzF6laj5H9X9Tb+@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> Summary points:
> >> - Create an FDT overlay data format and usage model
> >>   - SHALL reliable resolve or validate of phandles between base and
> >>     overlay trees
> >
> > So, I'm not at all clear on what this proposed phandle validation
> > would involve.  I'm also not convinced it's as necessary as you
> > think, more on that below.
> 
> Simply this: I'm taking this example from the omap3-beagle-xm.dts. It
> has the following stanza which is currently rolled into the resulting
> .dtb when compiled.
> 
> &i2c1 {
>         clock-frequency = <2600000>;
> 
>         twl: twl@48 {
>                 reg = <0x48>;
>                 interrupts = <7>; /* SYS_NIRQ cascaded to intc */
>                 interrupt-parent = <&intc>;
> 
>                 vsim: regulator-vsim {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-vsim";
>                         regulator-min-microvolt = <1800000>;
>                         regulator-max-microvolt = <3000000>;
>                 };
> 
>                 twl_audio: audio {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-audio";
>                         codec {
>                         };
>                 };
>         };
> };
> 
> However, if it were compiled into a separate dtb overlay it might look
> like this:
> 
> / {
>     .readonly;
>     ocp {
>         .readonly;
>         interrupt-controller@48200000 {
>             phandle = <0x1234>; /* EXPECTED PHANDLE */
>             .readonly;
>         };
>         i2c@48070000 {
>             .must-exist;
>             clock-frequency = <2600000>;
> 
>             twl@48 {
>                 reg = <0x48>;
>                 interrupts = <7>;
>                 interrupt-parent = <0x1234>;   /* RESOLVED PHANDLE */
> 
>                 vsim: regulator-vsim {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-vsim";
>                         regulator-min-microvolt = <1800000>;
>                         regulator-max-microvolt = <3000000>;
>                 };
> 
>                 twl_audio: audio {
>                         compatible = "ti,twl4030-audio";
>                         codec {
>                         };
>                 };
>             };
>         };
>     };
> };
> 
> Notice I've included the intc node and it's phandle. By phandle
> validation I merely mean that when applying an overly the firmware or
> kernel must verify that the phandles in the overlay match the phandle
> in the base tree. If they don't match, then refuse to apply the
> overhead. This approach avoids the need to find and fixup phandles in
> the overlay. And if the phandle is generated from a hash of the
> full_name, then the resulting phandle will only change if the node
> moves.
> 
> Similarly, at application time it should be verified that the nodes
> with a .readonly or .must-exist property could be verified to actually
> exist before attempting to apply the overlay. I used two different
> properties with the idea that only certain nodes would need to be
> modified... exactly what the policies should be is yet to be
> determined.

Ok, I see.  I really don't like it much, but I understand.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-13  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05 20:40 [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2) Grant Likely
2012-11-05 21:40 ` Tabi Timur-B04825
2012-11-05 21:40   ` Tabi Timur-B04825
2012-11-05 23:22   ` Tony Lindgren
2012-11-05 23:22     ` Tony Lindgren
2012-11-09 12:06     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-09 12:06       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06  0:07   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06  0:07     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 10:31   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 10:31     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:35   ` Ryan Mallon
2012-11-07 22:35     ` Ryan Mallon
2012-11-08 13:28     ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-08 13:28       ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-08 14:09       ` Timur Tabi
2012-11-08 14:09         ` Timur Tabi
2012-11-08 17:00       ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-08 17:00         ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-06 10:30 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 11:14   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 18:35     ` Tony Lindgren
2012-11-06 19:29       ` Russ Dill
2012-11-06 19:41         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 19:41           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 22:17           ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 22:17             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 19:34     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 20:45       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 20:50         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:06         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 15:33           ` Alan Tull
2012-11-07 15:33             ` Alan Tull
2012-11-09 17:03           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:13         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 10:19           ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 10:19             ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:02             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:02               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:12               ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:12                 ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:23                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:23                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 20:33               ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:34                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 13:01                   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07 17:25             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-07 22:10               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:10                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-08 10:36               ` Cousson, Benoit
2012-11-08 10:36                 ` Cousson, Benoit
2012-11-09  5:32   ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 14:29     ` David Gibson
2012-11-10  3:15       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 21:22     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:47       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 11:47         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  3:59       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 22:59     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]   ` <-4237940489086529028@unknownmsgid>
     [not found]     ` <559B8433-67C3-4A1A-A5D6-859907655176@antoniou-consulting.com>
2012-11-10  3:36       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-10  3:36         ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-12 12:48         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  2:28         ` David Gibson
2012-11-06 22:37 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 22:37   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-07  0:54   ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-07  0:54     ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-09 17:02     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:29       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07  8:47   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 17:18     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-07 22:08       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:08         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 16:28   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-09 23:23     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:40       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 10:53         ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-12 12:10       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 12:10         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:52         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13  7:25           ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  8:09             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  8:09               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 12:24               ` Grant Likely
2012-11-13 13:38                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 13:38                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-15  4:57                   ` David Gibson
2012-11-13 17:10               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 23:30               ` David Gibson
2012-11-13 23:30                 ` David Gibson
2012-11-14  0:00                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 16:57             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 18:10               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 18:10                 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 18:29                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 18:29                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 19:09                   ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 19:11                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-17 22:27       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-11-20 17:09         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-11 20:47     ` Rob Landley
2012-11-12 12:50       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:54         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 16:54           ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 11:23     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:49       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:00         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:10           ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:19             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:29               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:38                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 20:16       ` Russ Dill
2012-11-12 16:45     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09  2:26 ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 15:40   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  0:03     ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  0:03       ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:08   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-13  0:05     ` David Gibson [this message]
2012-11-13  0:05       ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:42   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-13  1:05     ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  1:05       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  5:22       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13  6:54         ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  6:54           ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 22:57   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:27     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 12:05     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 23:14   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:14     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:06 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:32   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:03 ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-12 11:03   ` Koen Kooi

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