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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <klamm@yandex-team.ru>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 11:36:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140502093628.GC3446@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140430225550.GD26041@cmpxchg.org>

On Wed 30-04-14 18:55:50, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 02:26:42PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > index 19d620b3d69c..40e517630138 100644
> > --- a/mm/memcontrol.c
> > +++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > @@ -2808,6 +2808,29 @@ static struct mem_cgroup *mem_cgroup_lookup(unsigned short id)
> >  	return mem_cgroup_from_id(id);
> >  }
> >  
> > +/**
> > + * mem_cgroup_reclaim_eligible - checks whether given memcg is eligible for the
> > + * reclaim
> > + * @memcg: target memcg for the reclaim
> > + * @root: root of the reclaim hierarchy (null for the global reclaim)
> > + *
> > + * The given group is reclaimable if it is above its low limit and the same
> > + * applies for all parents up the hierarchy until root (including).
> > + */
> > +bool mem_cgroup_reclaim_eligible(struct mem_cgroup *memcg,
> > +		struct mem_cgroup *root)
> 
> Could you please rename this to something that is more descriptive in
> the reclaim callsite?  How about mem_cgroup_within_low_limit()?

I have intentionally used somethig that is not low_limit specific. The
generic reclaim code does't have to care about the reason why a memcg is
not reclaimable. I agree that having follow_low_limit paramter explicit
and mem_cgroup_reclaim_eligible not is messy. So something should be
renamed. I would probably go with s@follow_low_limit@check_reclaim_eligible@
but I do not have a strong preference.

> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index c1cd99a5074b..0f428158254e 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
[...]
> > +static void shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc)
> > +{
> > +	if (!__shrink_zone(zone, sc, true)) {
> > +		/*
> > +		 * First round of reclaim didn't find anything to reclaim
> > +		 * because of low limit protection so try again and ignore
> > +		 * the low limit this time.
> > +		 */
> > +		__shrink_zone(zone, sc, false);
> > +	}
> >  }
> >  
> >  /* Returns true if compaction should go ahead for a high-order request */
> 
> I would actually prefer not having a second round here, and make the
> low limit behave more like mlock memory.  If there is no reclaimable
> memory, go OOM.

This was done in my previous attempt and I prefer OOM myself but it is
also true that starting with a more relaxed limit and adding an
option for hard guarantee later when we have a clear usecase is a better
approach. Although I can see potential in go-oom-rather-than-reclaim
configurations, usecases I am primarily interested in won't overcommit on
low_limit.

That being said, I like the idea of having the hard guarantee but I also
think it should be configurable. I can post those patches in this thread
but I feel it is too early as nobody has explicitly asked for this yet.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <klamm@yandex-team.ru>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 11:36:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140502093628.GC3446@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140430225550.GD26041@cmpxchg.org>

On Wed 30-04-14 18:55:50, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 02:26:42PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > index 19d620b3d69c..40e517630138 100644
> > --- a/mm/memcontrol.c
> > +++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > @@ -2808,6 +2808,29 @@ static struct mem_cgroup *mem_cgroup_lookup(unsigned short id)
> >  	return mem_cgroup_from_id(id);
> >  }
> >  
> > +/**
> > + * mem_cgroup_reclaim_eligible - checks whether given memcg is eligible for the
> > + * reclaim
> > + * @memcg: target memcg for the reclaim
> > + * @root: root of the reclaim hierarchy (null for the global reclaim)
> > + *
> > + * The given group is reclaimable if it is above its low limit and the same
> > + * applies for all parents up the hierarchy until root (including).
> > + */
> > +bool mem_cgroup_reclaim_eligible(struct mem_cgroup *memcg,
> > +		struct mem_cgroup *root)
> 
> Could you please rename this to something that is more descriptive in
> the reclaim callsite?  How about mem_cgroup_within_low_limit()?

I have intentionally used somethig that is not low_limit specific. The
generic reclaim code does't have to care about the reason why a memcg is
not reclaimable. I agree that having follow_low_limit paramter explicit
and mem_cgroup_reclaim_eligible not is messy. So something should be
renamed. I would probably go with s@follow_low_limit@check_reclaim_eligible@
but I do not have a strong preference.

> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index c1cd99a5074b..0f428158254e 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
[...]
> > +static void shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc)
> > +{
> > +	if (!__shrink_zone(zone, sc, true)) {
> > +		/*
> > +		 * First round of reclaim didn't find anything to reclaim
> > +		 * because of low limit protection so try again and ignore
> > +		 * the low limit this time.
> > +		 */
> > +		__shrink_zone(zone, sc, false);
> > +	}
> >  }
> >  
> >  /* Returns true if compaction should go ahead for a high-order request */
> 
> I would actually prefer not having a second round here, and make the
> low limit behave more like mlock memory.  If there is no reclaimable
> memory, go OOM.

This was done in my previous attempt and I prefer OOM myself but it is
also true that starting with a more relaxed limit and adding an
option for hard guarantee later when we have a clear usecase is a better
approach. Although I can see potential in go-oom-rather-than-reclaim
configurations, usecases I am primarily interested in won't overcommit on
low_limit.

That being said, I like the idea of having the hard guarantee but I also
think it should be configurable. I can post those patches in this thread
but I feel it is too early as nobody has explicitly asked for this yet.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-28 12:26 [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:55   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-30 22:55     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:36     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2014-05-02  9:36       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 12:07       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 12:07         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 13:01         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 13:01           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 14:15           ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 14:15             ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:04             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:04               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:11               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:11                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:34                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:34                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:48                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:48                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:58                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:58                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:58       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:58         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 16:49         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 16:49           ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 22:00           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 22:00             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-05 14:21             ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-05 14:21               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 16:18               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 16:18                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:15               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 15:15                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:08                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 16:08                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 13:29             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 14:32               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 14:32                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 15:21                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 15:21                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 16:12                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 16:12                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 16:51                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 16:51                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 18:30                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 18:30                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:55                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 19:55                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] memcg: Allow setting low_limit Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] memcg, doc: clarify global vs. limit reclaims Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 23:03   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-30 23:03     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:43     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02  9:43       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:56       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:56         ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] memcg: Document memory.low_limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-30 22:57     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:46     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02  9:46       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Roman Gushchin
2014-04-28 15:46   ` Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29  7:42   ` Greg Thelen
2014-04-29  7:42     ` Greg Thelen
2014-04-29 10:50     ` Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29 10:50       ` Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29 12:54       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-29 12:54         ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-30 21:52   ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-30 22:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-30 22:49     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 12:03   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 12:03     ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-30 21:59   ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-02 11:22   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 11:22     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 12:10   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 13:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 13:49     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 14:21     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 14:21       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 15:28       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 15:28         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 15:54         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 15:54           ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 16:33           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 16:33             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-03 11:07             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 11:07               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:22               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-03 14:22                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 14:46                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-04 14:46                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-04 15:44                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 15:44                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 19:18                     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-04 19:18                       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-04 21:45                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 21:45                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 14:51                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 14:51                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:10                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:10                             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:43                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:43                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 18:23                               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 18:23                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-06 14:44                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:44                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                   ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 15:29                                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-06 15:29                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-06 15:34                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-06 15:34                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09  8:30                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-09  8:30                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-09 13:54                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09 13:54                                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09 22:52                                       ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-09 22:52                                         ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-10 16:57                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-10 16:57                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-10 22:16                                           ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-10 22:16                                             ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-11  7:57                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  7:57                                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow guarantee reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:36                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 15:36                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 13:22                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 13:22                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 13:56                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 13:56                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 14:22                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 14:22                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 16:17                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-12 16:17                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 12:59                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 12:59                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 13:57                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 13:57                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:04                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:04                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:12                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:12                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:29                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:29                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:40                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:40                                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-12 16:51                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 16:51                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-16 13:22                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 13:22                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:20                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 15:20                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:14                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 16:14                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 12:31                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-11 12:31                                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-11 14:11                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 14:11                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:34                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-11 15:34                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 19:36                       ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 19:36                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 14:32                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 14:32                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 15:43                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 15:43                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:09                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:46                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:46                             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 16:17         ` Greg Thelen
2014-05-28 16:17           ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 11:09           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 11:09             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:01             ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 14:44               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:44                 ` Michal Hocko

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