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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "linux-s390@vger.kernel.org" <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	xen-devel <Xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	jan.kiszka@siemens.com, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux390@de.ibm.com" <linux390@de.ibm.com>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] virtio: Clean up scatterlists and use the DMA API
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:06:16 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150728160358-mutt-send-email-mst__45543.98103287$1438088896$gmane$org@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55B7799C.3060908@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 02:46:20PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 28/07/2015 12:12, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> >> > That is an experimental feature (it's x-iommu), so it can change.
> >> > 
> >> > The plan was:
> >> > 
> >> > - for PPC, virtio never honors IOMMU
> >> > 
> >> > - for non-PPC, either have virtio always honor IOMMU, or enforce that
> >> > virtio is not under IOMMU.
> >> > 
> > I dislike having PPC special cased.
> > 
> > In fact, today x86 guests also assume that virtio bypasses IOMMU I
> > believe. In fact *all* guests do.
> 
> This doesn't matter much, since the only guests that implement an IOMMU
> in QEMU are (afaik) PPC and x86, and x86 does not yet promise any kind
> of stability.

Hmm I think Jan (cc) said it was already used out there.


> > I would much prefer if the information as to whether it honors or not
> > gets passed to the guest somewhat. My preference goes for passing it via
> > the virtio config space but there were objections that it should be a
> > bus property (which is tricky to do with PCI and doesn't properly
> > reflect the fact that in qemu you can mix & match IOMMU-honoring devices
> > and bypassing-virtio on the same bus). 
> 
> Yes, for example on x86 it must be passed through the DMAR table.
> virtio-pci device must have a separate DRHD for them.  In QEMU, you
> could add an "under-iommu" property to PCI bridges, and walk the
> hierarchy of bridges to build the DRHDs.
> 
> Paolo

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-28 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-28  1:08 [PATCH v4 0/4] virtio: Clean up scatterlists and use the DMA API Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28  7:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-07-28  7:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-07-28  8:16 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28  8:16 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 10:12   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-28 10:12   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-28 12:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 13:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2015-07-28 13:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-28 13:11         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 16:11           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:44             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 16:44             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 17:10               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 17:10               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 17:17                 ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 17:17                 ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 18:22                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 18:22                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 19:06                     ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 19:06                     ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 19:24                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 19:24                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 19:33                         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 21:16                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 21:16                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 22:43                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 22:43                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 23:21                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-28 23:33                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 23:33                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  0:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-29  0:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-29  0:47                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  0:47                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  0:54                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-29  0:54                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-29  8:17                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-29  8:20                                         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-29  8:20                                         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-29  9:21                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-29  9:21                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-29  8:17                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-29  8:07                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-29  8:07                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 23:21                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-28 19:33                         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 16:11           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:36           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 16:36           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 16:42             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 17:15               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 17:15               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 17:19                 ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 17:19                 ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 17:31                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 17:31                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 16:42             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 13:11         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 12:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-28 13:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-28 13:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-07-28  1:08 Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-01 17:39 Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-01 22:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-02  5:55   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-02 20:53     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-02 20:56       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-02 21:08         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-02 21:37       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-02 22:10         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-02 23:11           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-02 23:20             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-02 23:42               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-03  0:25                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-03  0:32                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-03  0:43                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04  2:03                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-03  7:47                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-03  7:52                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-03  8:01                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-03  8:05                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-03 12:11                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-03 15:07                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-03 15:11                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-03 16:39                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-03 20:38                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-03  7:43               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-03  6:42         ` Rusty Russell
2014-09-03  7:50           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-05  2:31             ` Rusty Russell
2014-09-05  2:57               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-05  5:20                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-05  7:33                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-09-10 15:36                 ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-10 16:15                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-05  5:16               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-14  8:58               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-03 12:51           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-05  2:32             ` Rusty Russell
2014-09-05  3:06               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-02 21:10     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-02 21:49       ` Andy Lutomirski

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