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From: Casper.Dik@oracle.com
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Alan Burlison <Alan.Burlison@oracle.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	stephen@networkplumber.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	dholland-tech@netbsd.org
Subject: Re: [Bug 106241] New: shutdown(3)/close(3) behaviour is incorrect for sockets in accept(3)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:50:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201510221950.t9MJoAw0005835@room101.nl.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151022185610.GU22011@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>


From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

>On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 06:39:34PM +0100, Alan Burlison wrote:
>> On 22/10/2015 18:05, Al Viro wrote:
>> 
>> >Oh, for...  Right in this thread an example of complete BS has been quoted
>> >from POSIX close(2).  The part about closing a file when the last descriptor
>> >gets closed.  _Nothing_ is POSIX-compliant in that respect (nor should
>> >it be).
>> 
>> That's not exactly what it says, we've already discussed, for
>> example in the case of pending async IO on a filehandle.
>
>Sigh...  It completely fails to mention descriptor-passing.  Which
>	a) is relevant to what "last close" means and
>	b) had been there for nearly the third of a century.

Why is that different?  These clearly count as file descriptors.

>> I agree that part could do with some polishing.
>
>google("wire brush of enlightenment") is what comes to mind...

Standardese is similar to legalese; it not writing that is directly open 
to interpretation to those who are not inducted in writing may have some 
problem interpreting what exactly is meant by wording of the standard.



>> I think "it shall be closed first" makes it pretty clear that what
>> is expected is the same behaviour as any direct invocation of close,
>> and that has to happen before the reassignment. What makes you
>> believe that's isn't the case?
>
>So unless I'm misparsing something, you want
>thread A: accept(newfd)
>thread B: dup2(oldfd, newfd)
>have accept() bugger off before the switchover happens?

Well, certainly *before* we return from dup2().
(and clearly only once we have determined that dup2() will return
successfully)

>What should happen if thread C does accept(newfd) right as B has decided that
>there's nothing more to wait?  For close(newfd) it would be simple - we are
>going to have lookup by descriptor fail with EBADF anyway, so making it do
>so as soon as we go hunting for those who are currently in accept(newfd)
>would do the trick - no new threads like that shall appear and as long as
>the descriptor is not declared free for taking by descriptor allocation nobody
>is going to be screwed by open() picking that slot of descriptor table too
>early.  Trying to do that for dup2() would lose atomicity.  I honestly don't
>know how Solaris behaves in that case, BTW - the race (if any) would probably
>be hard to hit, so in case of Linux I would have to go and RTFS before saying
>that there isn't one.  I can't do that in with Solaris; all I can do here
>is ask you guys...

Solaris dup2() behaves exactly like close().

>Moreover, see above for record locks removal.  Should that happen prior to
>switchover?  If you have
>
>dup(fd, fd2);
>set a record lock on fd2
>spawn a thread
>in child, try to grab the same lock on fd2
>in parent, do some work and close(fd)

>you are guaranteed that child won't see fd refering to the same file after it
>acquires the lock.

Here's you are talking about a lock held by the "parent" and that the
"child" will only get the lock once close(fd) is done?

Yes.  The final "close" is done *after* the pointer has been removed from 
the file descriptor table.

>Replace close(fd) with dup(fd3, fd); should the same hold true in that case?

Yes.

>FWIW, Linux behaviour in that area is to have record locks removal done
>between the switchover and return to userland in case of dup2() and between
>the removal from descriptor table and return to userland in case of close().
>
>> Personally I believe the spec is clear enough to allow an
>> unambiguous interpretation of the required behavior in this area. If
>> you think there are areas where the Solaris behaviour is in
>> disagreement with the spec then I'd be interested to hear them.
>
>The spec is so vague that I strongly suspect that *both* Solaris and Linux
>behaviours are not in disagreement with it (modulo shutdown(2) extension
>Linux-side and we are really stuck with that one).

I'm not sure if the standard allows a handful of threads in accept() for a 
file descriptor which has already been closed *and* can be re-issued for 
other uses.

Casper

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-22 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-19 16:59 Fw: [Bug 106241] New: shutdown(3)/close(3) behaviour is incorrect for sockets in accept(3) Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-19 23:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20  1:12   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20  1:45     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20  9:59       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 11:24         ` David Miller
2015-10-20 11:39           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 13:19         ` Fw: " Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20 13:45           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 15:30             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20 18:31               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 18:42                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 10:25                 ` David Laight
2015-10-21 10:49                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-21 11:28                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 13:03                       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-21 13:29                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21  3:49       ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 14:38         ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-21 15:30           ` David Miller
2015-10-21 16:04             ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-21 21:18               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 21:28                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 16:32           ` Fw: " Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 18:51           ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 20:33             ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22  4:21               ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 10:55                 ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 18:16                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 20:15                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-11-02 10:03               ` David Laight
2015-11-02 10:29                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 22:28             ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22  1:29             ` David Miller
2015-10-22  4:17               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22  4:44                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-22  6:03                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-22  6:34                     ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 17:21                       ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 18:24                         ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 19:07                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 19:51                             ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 21:57                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-23  9:52                                 ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-23 13:02                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 13:20                                     ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-23 13:48                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 14:13                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 13:35                                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 14:21                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 15:46                                         ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 16:00                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 16:07                                             ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 16:19                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 16:40                                               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 17:47                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 17:59                                                   ` [PATCH net-next] af_unix: do not report POLLOUT on listeners Eric Dumazet
2015-10-25 13:45                                                     ` David Miller
2015-10-24  2:30                                   ` [Bug 106241] New: shutdown(3)/close(3) behaviour is incorrect for sockets in accept(3) Al Viro
2015-10-27  9:08                                     ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-27 10:52                                       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 12:01                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-27 12:27                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 12:44                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-27 13:42                                         ` David Miller
2015-10-27 13:37                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 13:59                                             ` David Miller
2015-10-27 14:13                                               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 14:39                                                 ` David Miller
2015-10-27 14:39                                                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 15:04                                                     ` David Miller
2015-10-27 15:53                                                       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 23:17                                         ` Al Viro
2015-10-28  0:13                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 12:35                                             ` Al Viro
2015-10-28 13:24                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 14:47                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 21:13                                                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-28 21:44                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 22:33                                                       ` Al Viro
2015-10-28 23:08                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-29  0:15                                                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-29  3:29                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-29  4:16                                                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-29 12:35                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-29 13:48                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-30 17:18                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-30 21:02                                                                     ` Al Viro
2015-10-30 21:23                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-30 21:50                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-30 22:33                                                                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-30 23:52                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-31  0:09                                                                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 15:59                                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-31 19:34                                                                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 19:54                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-31 20:29                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2015-11-02  0:24                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2015-11-02  0:59                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02  2:14                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-02  6:22                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 20:45                                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-31 21:23                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-31 21:51                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 22:34                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-31  1:07                                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 16:04                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-29 14:58                                         ` David Holland
2015-10-29 15:18                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-29 16:01                                             ` David Holland
2015-10-29 16:15                                               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-29 17:07                                                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-29 17:12                                                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-30  1:54                                                     ` David Miller
2015-10-30  1:55                                                   ` David Miller
2015-10-30  5:44                                                 ` David Holland
2015-10-30 17:43                                           ` David Laight
2015-10-30 21:09                                             ` Al Viro
2015-11-04 15:54                                               ` David Laight
2015-11-04 16:27                                                 ` Al Viro
2015-11-06 15:07                                                   ` David Laight
2015-11-06 19:31                                                     ` Al Viro
2015-10-22  6:51                   ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 11:18                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 11:15                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22  6:15                 ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 11:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-22 11:58                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 12:10                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-22 13:12                         ` David Miller
2015-10-22 13:14                         ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 17:05                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 17:39                             ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 18:56                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 19:50                                 ` Casper.Dik [this message]
2015-10-23 17:09                                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-23 18:30           ` Fw: " David Holland
2015-10-23 19:51             ` Al Viro

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