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From: Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>
To: Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	alsa-devel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	henrk@austad.us, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [very-RFC 0/8] TSN driver for the kernel
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 21:51:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160613195136.GC2441@netboy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160613114713.GA9544@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 01:47:13PM +0200, Richard Cochran wrote:
> 3. ALSA support for tunable AD/DA clocks.  The rate of the Listener's
>    DA clock must match that of the Talker and the other Listeners.
>    Either you adjust it in HW using a VCO or similar, or you do
>    adaptive sample rate conversion in the application. (And that is
>    another reason for *not* having a shared kernel buffer.)  For the
>    Talker, either you adjust the AD clock to match the PTP time, or
>    you measure the frequency offset.

Actually, we already have support for tunable clock-like HW elements,
namely the dynamic posix clock API.  It is trivial to write a driver
for VCO or the like.  I am just not too familiar with the latest high
end audio devices.

I have seen audio PLL/multiplier chips that will take, for example, a
10 kHz input and produce your 48 kHz media clock.  With the right HW
design, you can tell your PTP Hardware Clock to produce a 10000 PPS,
and you will have a synchronized AVB endpoint.  The software is all
there already.  Somebody should tell the ALSA guys about it.

I don't know if ALSA has anything for sample rate conversion or not,
but haven't seen anything that addresses distributed synchronized
audio applications.

Thanks,
Richard

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From: Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>
To: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Cc: henrk@austad.us, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@linaro.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [very-RFC 0/8] TSN driver for the kernel
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 21:51:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160613195136.GC2441@netboy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160613114713.GA9544@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 01:47:13PM +0200, Richard Cochran wrote:
> 3. ALSA support for tunable AD/DA clocks.  The rate of the Listener's
>    DA clock must match that of the Talker and the other Listeners.
>    Either you adjust it in HW using a VCO or similar, or you do
>    adaptive sample rate conversion in the application. (And that is
>    another reason for *not* having a shared kernel buffer.)  For the
>    Talker, either you adjust the AD clock to match the PTP time, or
>    you measure the frequency offset.

Actually, we already have support for tunable clock-like HW elements,
namely the dynamic posix clock API.  It is trivial to write a driver
for VCO or the like.  I am just not too familiar with the latest high
end audio devices.

I have seen audio PLL/multiplier chips that will take, for example, a
10 kHz input and produce your 48 kHz media clock.  With the right HW
design, you can tell your PTP Hardware Clock to produce a 10000 PPS,
and you will have a synchronized AVB endpoint.  The software is all
there already.  Somebody should tell the ALSA guys about it.

I don't know if ALSA has anything for sample rate conversion or not,
but haven't seen anything that addresses distributed synchronized
audio applications.

Thanks,
Richard
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-13 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-11 23:01 [very-RFC 0/8] TSN driver for the kernel Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 1/8] TSN: add documentation Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 2/8] TSN: Add the standard formerly known as AVB to the kernel Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 3/8] Adding TSN-driver to Intel I210 controller Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 4/8] Add TSN header for the driver Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 5/8] Add TSN machinery to drive the traffic from a shim over the network Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 6/8] Add TSN event-tracing Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-12 16:58   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-06-12 16:58   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-06-12 16:58     ` [alsa-devel] " Steven Rostedt
2016-06-12 21:25     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-12 21:25     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-12 21:25       ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-13  2:22       ` Steven Rostedt
2016-06-13  2:22         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-06-13  7:20         ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-13  7:20           ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 7/8] AVB ALSA - Add ALSA shim for TSN Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-15 11:49   ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15 11:49     ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-15 12:13     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-15 12:13       ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-15 12:43       ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15 12:43       ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15 12:43         ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-15 12:13     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-15 11:49   ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-11 23:01 ` [very-RFC 8/8] MAINTAINERS: add TSN/AVB-entries Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 23:01   ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-12  3:38 ` [very-RFC 0/8] TSN driver for the kernel Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-12  3:38   ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-12  4:30   ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-12  8:31     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-12 10:43       ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-12 22:06         ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-12  8:28   ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-12  8:28     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-12  9:14     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-12  9:14       ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-13 11:47 ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 11:47   ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 13:00   ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-13 13:00     ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-13 19:32     ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 19:32     ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 19:32       ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-14  9:30       ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-14  9:30       ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-14  9:30         ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-14 18:26         ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-14 18:26           ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-14 20:38           ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-14 20:38           ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-14 20:38             ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-15  7:04             ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  7:04               ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  7:50               ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-15  7:50                 ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-15  7:50               ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-15 11:41               ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15 11:41               ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15 11:41                 ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  7:04             ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  7:11             ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  7:11               ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  7:11             ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-14 18:26         ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 19:37     ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 19:37     ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 19:37       ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 13:00   ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-13 13:12   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-06-13 13:12   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-06-13 13:12     ` [alsa-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2016-06-13 15:56   ` John Fastabend
2016-06-13 15:56   ` John Fastabend
2016-06-13 15:56     ` [alsa-devel] " John Fastabend
2016-06-14  8:35     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-14  8:35     ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-14  8:35       ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-13 19:51   ` Richard Cochran [this message]
2016-06-13 19:51     ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-14 11:18     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-06-14 11:18       ` [alsa-devel] " One Thousand Gnomes
2016-06-14 17:04       ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-14 17:04         ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-14 17:04       ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  3:15       ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-15  8:06         ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-18  5:22           ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-18  5:22             ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-18 22:45             ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-19  9:46               ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-20  8:05                 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-20  8:05                   ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-19 14:45               ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-20  9:06                 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-20  9:06                   ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-21  2:22                   ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-21  2:22                     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-20 11:08               ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2016-06-20 11:08                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2016-06-20 11:49                 ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-20 11:49                   ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-20 12:18                 ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-20 12:31                   ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-20 15:21                     ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-20 15:21                       ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-21  5:54                       ` [alsa-devel] " Takashi Iwai
2016-06-21  5:54                         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-06-21  6:38                         ` [alsa-devel] " Richard Cochran
2016-06-21  6:38                           ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-21  6:45                           ` [alsa-devel] " Takashi Iwai
2016-06-21  6:45                             ` Takashi Iwai
2016-06-21 17:18                     ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2016-06-21 17:18                       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2016-06-21 17:45                   ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre-Louis Bossart
2016-06-21 19:40                     ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-22 12:36                       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2016-06-22 12:36                         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2016-06-23 10:38                     ` [alsa-devel] " Henrik Austad
2016-06-23 13:28                       ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-15  3:27       ` Takashi Sakamoto
2016-06-14 11:18     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-06-13 19:51   ` Richard Cochran
2016-06-13 11:47 ` Richard Cochran
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-06-11 23:01 Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 22:22 Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 22:49 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 22:49 ` Henrik Austad
2016-06-11 22:22 Henrik Austad

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