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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] asynchronous printk
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:54:35 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161031065435.GA458@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160921044156.GA486@swordfish>

Hello,

On (09/21/16 13:41), Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> a small addition to [1]
> 
> On (07/19/16 12:47), Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> > What I have on my list is:
> > - synchronous printk()
> > - synchronous console_unlock()
> > - console semaphore
> 
> Petr Mladek came up with a nice summary [2] of the problems that we
> discussed (with a small update from my side [3]). So I would like to
> add one more issue to the list, that is, however, not related to async
> printk: recursive printk calls. There is a tiny set of cases when
> printk can correctly handle recursive printk calls, the rest lead to
> deadlock. Those problems, may be, not commonly seen, we had two or three
> reports via the public mailing list in the past year; and I've seen 4-5
> reports in internal bug tracker (not all of those errors were due to
> incorrect printk usage. An unfortunate ARM imprecise abort [4] delivered
> while the CPU is in printk->console_unlock->try_to_wake_up under the p->pi_lock
> is enough to deadlock the system).
> 
> There a several ideas how to try to address those issues that I'm aware
> of [5],[6],[7] and, I'm quite sure, even more ideas that I'm not aware of.
> Would be interesting to discuss it.
> 
> [1] https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-discuss/2016-July/002740.html
> [2] https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=147263639304079
> [3] https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=147264799407718&w=2
> [4] http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/14809.html
> [5] https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=147158843319944
> [6] https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=147183933104154
> [7] https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=145440084915204


Any chance to do this session on Tuesday?
I prepared some slides; there are some patches circulating
and there are some things to discuss.

	-ss

  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-31  6:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-19  3:47 [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] asynchronous printk Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-19  3:56 ` Viresh Kumar
2016-07-19  6:17 ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-19  6:49   ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-19  7:02     ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-19  7:11       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-20  6:02         ` Jan Kara
2016-07-20 22:54       ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-21  0:46         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-21  1:12           ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-19  7:33   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-19  7:38     ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-19  7:46       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-19  8:02         ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-19  8:23           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-21 10:36           ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-21 12:31             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-28  2:55             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-20  6:09       ` Jan Kara
2016-07-19  7:46   ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-07-19  7:53     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-07-19 13:55       ` Jan Kara
2016-07-28  2:59         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-28  4:12           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-28 13:02             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-20  3:35   ` Wangnan (F)
2016-07-21  1:16     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-21  1:52       ` Wangnan (F)
2016-07-21  5:59       ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-21 10:31         ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-21 11:19           ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-21 11:59             ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-21 14:21               ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-21 14:40                 ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-28  3:05                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-02 11:59               ` Petr Mladek
2016-07-21 15:05           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-26 14:40             ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-26 15:44               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-07-26 21:00               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-27  0:03                 ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-27  1:16                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-21 10:28       ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-19 14:45 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-19 14:55   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-19 17:58     ` James Bottomley
2016-07-19 18:24       ` Viresh Kumar
2016-07-20  2:08       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-07-20  6:14     ` Jan Kara
2016-09-21  4:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-31  6:54   ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2016-10-31 13:56     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-10-31 13:59       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-10-31 14:56       ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] printk considered harmful (was: [TECH TOPIC] asynchronous printk) Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-31 16:18         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-10-31 18:21           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-31 18:26             ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] printk considered harmful Hannes Reinecke
2016-10-31 20:28           ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] printk considered harmful (was: [TECH TOPIC] asynchronous printk) Jan Kara
2016-11-01 12:27             ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] printk considered harmful Hannes Reinecke
2016-11-01 17:50         ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] printk considered harmful (was: [TECH TOPIC] asynchronous printk) Sergey Senozhatsky

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