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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matt Fleming" <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk" <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Larry Woodman" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Andrey Ryabinin" <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Alexander Potapenko" <glider@google.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Dmitry Vyukov" <dvyukov@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 13/20] x86: DMA support for memory encryption
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:38:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161122113859.5dtlrfgizwpum6st@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d97f998-5835-f4e0-9840-7f7979251275@amd.com>

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:29:35PM -0600, Tom Lendacky wrote:
> > Makes sense, but I think at least a dmesg warning here
> > might be a good idea.
> 
> Good idea.  Should it be a warning when it is first being set up or
> a warning the first time the bounce buffers need to be used.  Or maybe
> both?

Ok, let me put my user hat on...

(... puts a felt hat ...)

so what am I supposed to do about this as a user? Go and physically
remove those devices because I want to enable SME?!

IMO, the only thing we should do is issue a *single* warning -
pr_warn_once - along the lines of:

"... devices present which due to SME will use bounce buffers and will
cause their speed to diminish. Boot with sme=debug to see full info".

And then sme=debug will dump the whole gory details. I don't think
screaming for each device is going to change anything in many cases.
99% of people don't care - they just want shit to work.

> > A boot flag that says "don't enable devices that don't support
> > encryption" might be a good idea, too, since most people
> > don't read dmesg output and won't notice the message.
> 
> I'll look into this. It might be something that can be checked as
> part of the device setting its DMA mask or the first time a DMA
> API is used if the device doesn't explicitly set its mask.

Still with my user hat on, what would be the purpose of such an option?

We already use bounce buffers so those devices do support encryption,
albeit slower.

felt hat is confused.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matt Fleming" <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk" <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Larry Woodman" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Andrey Ryabinin" <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Alexander Potapenko" <glider@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 13/20] x86: DMA support for memory encryption
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:38:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161122113859.5dtlrfgizwpum6st@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d97f998-5835-f4e0-9840-7f7979251275@amd.com>

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:29:35PM -0600, Tom Lendacky wrote:
> > Makes sense, but I think at least a dmesg warning here
> > might be a good idea.
> 
> Good idea.  Should it be a warning when it is first being set up or
> a warning the first time the bounce buffers need to be used.  Or maybe
> both?

Ok, let me put my user hat on...

(... puts a felt hat ...)

so what am I supposed to do about this as a user? Go and physically
remove those devices because I want to enable SME?!

IMO, the only thing we should do is issue a *single* warning -
pr_warn_once - along the lines of:

"... devices present which due to SME will use bounce buffers and will
cause their speed to diminish. Boot with sme=debug to see full info".

And then sme=debug will dump the whole gory details. I don't think
screaming for each device is going to change anything in many cases.
99% of people don't care - they just want shit to work.

> > A boot flag that says "don't enable devices that don't support
> > encryption" might be a good idea, too, since most people
> > don't read dmesg output and won't notice the message.
> 
> I'll look into this. It might be something that can be checked as
> part of the device setting its DMA mask or the first time a DMA
> API is used if the device doesn't explicitly set its mask.

Still with my user hat on, what would be the purpose of such an option?

We already use bounce buffers so those devices do support encryption,
albeit slower.

felt hat is confused.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matt Fleming" <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk" <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Larry Woodman" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Andrey Ryabinin" <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Alexander Potapenko" <glider@google.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Dmitry Vyukov" <dvyukov@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 13/20] x86: DMA support for memory encryption
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:38:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161122113859.5dtlrfgizwpum6st@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d97f998-5835-f4e0-9840-7f7979251275@amd.com>

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:29:35PM -0600, Tom Lendacky wrote:
> > Makes sense, but I think at least a dmesg warning here
> > might be a good idea.
> 
> Good idea.  Should it be a warning when it is first being set up or
> a warning the first time the bounce buffers need to be used.  Or maybe
> both?

Ok, let me put my user hat on...

(... puts a felt hat ...)

so what am I supposed to do about this as a user? Go and physically
remove those devices because I want to enable SME?!

IMO, the only thing we should do is issue a *single* warning -
pr_warn_once - along the lines of:

"... devices present which due to SME will use bounce buffers and will
cause their speed to diminish. Boot with sme=debug to see full info".

And then sme=debug will dump the whole gory details. I don't think
screaming for each device is going to change anything in many cases.
99% of people don't care - they just want shit to work.

> > A boot flag that says "don't enable devices that don't support
> > encryption" might be a good idea, too, since most people
> > don't read dmesg output and won't notice the message.
> 
> I'll look into this. It might be something that can be checked as
> part of the device setting its DMA mask or the first time a DMA
> API is used if the device doesn't explicitly set its mask.

Still with my user hat on, what would be the purpose of such an option?

We already use bounce buffers so those devices do support encryption,
albeit slower.

felt hat is confused.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.

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2016-11-10  0:34 [RFC PATCH v3 00/20] x86: Secure Memory Encryption (AMD) Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34 ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34 ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34 ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/20] x86: Documentation for AMD Secure Memory Encryption (SME) Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10 10:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-10 10:51     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-14 17:15     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 17:15       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 17:15       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/20] x86: Set the write-protect cache mode for full PAT support Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10 13:14   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-10 13:14     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-11  1:26     ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-11-11  1:26       ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-11-11  1:26       ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-11-14 16:51       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:51         ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:51         ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:51         ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/20] x86: Add the Secure Memory Encryption cpu feature Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-11 11:53   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-11 11:53     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-10  0:35 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/20] x86: Handle reduction in physical address size with SME Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 12:10   ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-15 12:10     ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-15 12:10     ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-15 12:14     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 12:14       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 14:40       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 14:40         ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 15:33         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 15:33           ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 15:33           ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 16:06           ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 16:06             ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 16:06             ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 16:33             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 16:33               ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 17:08               ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 17:08                 ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 17:08                 ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 21:22       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 21:22         ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 21:22         ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 21:33         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 21:33           ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 21:33           ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-15 22:01           ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 22:01             ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 14:32     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 14:32       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 14:32       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/20] x86: Add Secure Memory Encryption (SME) support Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/20] x86: Add support to enable SME during early boot processing Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 17:29   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-14 17:29     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-14 18:18     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 18:18       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 18:18       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 20:01       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-14 20:01         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-10  0:35 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/20] x86: Provide general kernel support for memory encryption Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:35   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/20] x86: Add support for early encryption/decryption of memory Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-16 10:46   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-16 10:46     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-16 19:22     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-16 19:22       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-16 19:22       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/20] x86: Insure that boot memory areas are mapped properly Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-17 12:20   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-17 12:20     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-19 18:12     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-19 18:12       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/20] Add support to access boot related data in the clear Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-11 16:17   ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-11-11 16:17     ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-11-14 16:24     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:24       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:24       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-17 15:55   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-17 15:55     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-19 18:33     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-19 18:33       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-19 18:33       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-20 23:04       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-20 23:04         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-12-07 13:19   ` Matt Fleming
2016-12-07 13:19     ` Matt Fleming
2016-12-07 13:19     ` Matt Fleming
2016-12-09 14:26     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-12-09 14:26       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-12-09 14:26       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/20] x86: Add support for changing memory encryption attribute Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:36   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-17 17:39   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-17 17:39     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-19 18:48     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-19 18:48       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-21  8:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-21  8:27         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-10  0:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/20] x86: Decrypt trampoline area if memory encryption is active Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-17 18:09   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-17 18:09     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-19 18:50     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-19 18:50       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/20] x86: DMA support for memory encryption Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 14:39   ` Radim Krčmář
2016-11-15 14:39     ` Radim Krčmář
2016-11-15 14:39     ` Radim Krčmář
2016-11-15 17:02     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 17:02       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 17:02       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 17:02       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 18:17       ` Radim Krčmář
2016-11-15 18:17         ` Radim Krčmář
2016-11-15 18:17         ` Radim Krčmář
2016-11-15 18:17         ` Radim Krčmář
2016-11-15 20:33         ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 20:33           ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 20:33           ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 20:33           ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 15:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-15 15:16     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-15 15:16     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-15 18:29     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 18:29       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 18:29       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-15 19:16       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-15 19:16         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-15 19:16         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-22 11:38       ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2016-11-22 11:38         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 11:38         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 15:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-22 15:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-22 15:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-22 15:41           ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 15:41             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 20:41             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-22 20:41               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-22 20:41               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-10  0:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/20] iommu/amd: Disable AMD IOMMU if memory encryption is active Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:32   ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-14 16:32     ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-14 16:32     ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-14 16:48     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:48       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-14 16:48       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 15/20] x86: Check for memory encryption on the APs Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-22 19:25   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 19:25     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-29 18:00     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-29 18:00       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-29 18:00       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37 ` [RFC PATCH v3 16/20] x86: Do not specify encrypted memory for video mappings Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:37   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 17/20] x86/kvm: Enable Secure Memory Encryption of nested page tables Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 18/20] x86: Access the setup data through debugfs un-encrypted Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 19/20] x86: Add support to make use of Secure Memory Encryption Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-24 12:50   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-24 12:50     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-24 12:50     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-29 18:40     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-29 18:40       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 20/20] " Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-10  0:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-22 18:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 18:58     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-22 18:58     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-26 20:47   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-26 20:47     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-29 18:48     ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-29 18:48       ` Tom Lendacky
2016-11-29 19:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-29 19:56         ` Borislav Petkov

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