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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>, Ted Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	edumazet@google.com,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>,
	Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>,
	ak@linux.intel.com, davem@davemloft.net, luto@amacapital.net,
	Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/6] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:40:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161221174026.1b25fd80@xeon-e3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161221230216.25341-2-Jason@zx2c4.com>

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 00:02:11 +0100
"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:

> SipHash is a 64-bit keyed hash function that is actually a
> cryptographically secure PRF, like HMAC. Except SipHash is super fast,
> and is meant to be used as a hashtable keyed lookup function, or as a
> general PRF for short input use cases, such as sequence numbers or RNG
> chaining.
> 
> For the first usage:
> 
> There are a variety of attacks known as "hashtable poisoning" in which an
> attacker forms some data such that the hash of that data will be the
> same, and then preceeds to fill up all entries of a hashbucket. This is
> a realistic and well-known denial-of-service vector. Currently
> hashtables use jhash, which is fast but not secure, and some kind of
> rotating key scheme (or none at all, which isn't good). SipHash is meant
> as a replacement for jhash in these cases.
> 
> There are a modicum of places in the kernel that are vulnerable to
> hashtable poisoning attacks, either via userspace vectors or network
> vectors, and there's not a reliable mechanism inside the kernel at the
> moment to fix it. The first step toward fixing these issues is actually
> getting a secure primitive into the kernel for developers to use. Then
> we can, bit by bit, port things over to it as deemed appropriate.
> 
> While SipHash is extremely fast for a cryptographically secure function,
> it is likely a bit slower than the insecure jhash, and so replacements
> will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis based on whether or not the
> difference in speed is negligible and whether or not the current jhash usage
> poses a real security risk.
> 
> For the second usage:
> 
> A few places in the kernel are using MD5 or SHA1 for creating secure
> sequence numbers, syn cookies, port numbers, or fast random numbers.
> SipHash is a faster and more fitting, and more secure replacement for MD5
> in those situations. Replacing MD5 and SHA1 with SipHash for these uses is
> obvious and straight-forward, and so is submitted along with this patch
> series. There shouldn't be much of a debate over its efficacy.
> 
> Dozens of languages are already using this internally for their hash
> tables and PRFs. Some of the BSDs already use this in their kernels.
> SipHash is a widely known high-speed solution to a widely known set of
> problems, and it's time we catch-up.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> Cc: Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>
> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>
> Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
> Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>

The networking tree (net-next) which is where you are submitting to is technically
closed right now.

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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>, Ted Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	edumazet@google.com,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>,
	Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>,
	ak@linux.intel.com, davem@davemloft.net, luto@amacapital.net,
	Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v7 1/6] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:40:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161221174026.1b25fd80@xeon-e3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161221230216.25341-2-Jason@zx2c4.com>

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 00:02:11 +0100
"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:

> SipHash is a 64-bit keyed hash function that is actually a
> cryptographically secure PRF, like HMAC. Except SipHash is super fast,
> and is meant to be used as a hashtable keyed lookup function, or as a
> general PRF for short input use cases, such as sequence numbers or RNG
> chaining.
> 
> For the first usage:
> 
> There are a variety of attacks known as "hashtable poisoning" in which an
> attacker forms some data such that the hash of that data will be the
> same, and then preceeds to fill up all entries of a hashbucket. This is
> a realistic and well-known denial-of-service vector. Currently
> hashtables use jhash, which is fast but not secure, and some kind of
> rotating key scheme (or none at all, which isn't good). SipHash is meant
> as a replacement for jhash in these cases.
> 
> There are a modicum of places in the kernel that are vulnerable to
> hashtable poisoning attacks, either via userspace vectors or network
> vectors, and there's not a reliable mechanism inside the kernel at the
> moment to fix it. The first step toward fixing these issues is actually
> getting a secure primitive into the kernel for developers to use. Then
> we can, bit by bit, port things over to it as deemed appropriate.
> 
> While SipHash is extremely fast for a cryptographically secure function,
> it is likely a bit slower than the insecure jhash, and so replacements
> will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis based on whether or not the
> difference in speed is negligible and whether or not the current jhash usage
> poses a real security risk.
> 
> For the second usage:
> 
> A few places in the kernel are using MD5 or SHA1 for creating secure
> sequence numbers, syn cookies, port numbers, or fast random numbers.
> SipHash is a faster and more fitting, and more secure replacement for MD5
> in those situations. Replacing MD5 and SHA1 with SipHash for these uses is
> obvious and straight-forward, and so is submitted along with this patch
> series. There shouldn't be much of a debate over its efficacy.
> 
> Dozens of languages are already using this internally for their hash
> tables and PRFs. Some of the BSDs already use this in their kernels.
> SipHash is a widely known high-speed solution to a widely known set of
> problems, and it's time we catch-up.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> Cc: Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>
> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>
> Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
> Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>

The networking tree (net-next) which is where you are submitting to is technically
closed right now.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-22  1:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 180+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-15 20:29 [PATCH v5 0/4] The SipHash Patchset Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:29 ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 22:42   ` George Spelvin
2016-12-15 22:42     ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-15 23:00     ` Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-15 23:00       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-15 23:28       ` George Spelvin
2016-12-15 23:28         ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-16 17:06         ` David Laight
2016-12-16 17:06           ` [kernel-hardening] " David Laight
2016-12-16 17:06           ` David Laight
2016-12-16 17:09           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 17:09             ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 17:09             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:46       ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16  3:46         ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-16  8:08         ` Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-16  8:08           ` [kernel-hardening] " Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-16 12:39           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 12:39             ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 13:22             ` Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-16 13:22               ` [kernel-hardening] " Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-16 15:51               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 15:51                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 17:36                 ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16 17:36                   ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-16 18:00                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 18:00                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 20:17                     ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16 20:17                       ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-16 20:43                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-16 20:43                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-16 22:13                         ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16 22:13                           ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-16 22:15                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-16 22:15                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-16 22:15                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-16 22:18                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 22:18                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 23:44                             ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16 23:44                               ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-17  1:39                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-17  1:39                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-17  2:15                                 ` George Spelvin
2016-12-17  2:15                                   ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-17 15:41                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-17 15:41                                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-17 16:14                                     ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-12-17 16:14                                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jeffrey Walton
2016-12-19 17:21                                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-17 12:42                 ` George Spelvin
2016-12-17 12:42                   ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-16 20:39               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 20:39                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 19:47             ` Tom Herbert
2016-12-16 19:47               ` [kernel-hardening] " Tom Herbert
2016-12-16 20:41               ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16 20:41                 ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-16 20:57                 ` Tom Herbert
2016-12-16 20:57                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Tom Herbert
2016-12-16 20:44               ` Daniel Micay
2016-12-16 20:44                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2016-12-16 21:09                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-17 15:21               ` George Spelvin
2016-12-17 15:21                 ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-19 14:14                 ` David Laight
2016-12-19 14:14                   ` [kernel-hardening] " David Laight
2016-12-19 14:14                   ` David Laight
2016-12-19 18:10                   ` George Spelvin
2016-12-19 18:10                     ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-19 20:18                     ` Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-19 20:18                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-16  2:14   ` kbuild test robot
2016-12-16  2:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " kbuild test robot
2016-12-17 14:55   ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-12-17 14:55     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jeffrey Walton
2016-12-19 17:08     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-19 17:08       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-19 17:19       ` Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-19 17:19         ` [kernel-hardening] " Jean-Philippe Aumasson
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] siphash: add Nu{32,64} helpers Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 10:39   ` David Laight
2016-12-16 10:39     ` [kernel-hardening] " David Laight
2016-12-16 10:39     ` David Laight
2016-12-16 15:44     ` George Spelvin
2016-12-16 15:44       ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] secure_seq: use SipHash in place of MD5 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  9:59   ` David Laight
2016-12-16  9:59     ` [kernel-hardening] " David Laight
2016-12-16  9:59     ` David Laight
2016-12-16 15:57     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 15:57       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 15:57       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] random: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:30   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] The SipHash Patchset Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 1/5] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 2/5] secure_seq: use SipHash in place of MD5 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 3/5] random: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16 21:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-16 21:31       ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-16 21:31       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 4/5] md5: remove from lib and only live in crypto Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03   ` [PATCH v6 5/5] syncookies: use SipHash in place of SHA1 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  3:03     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02   ` [PATCH v7 0/6] The SipHash Patchset Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 1/6] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  1:40       ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2016-12-22  1:40         ` [kernel-hardening] " Stephen Hemminger
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 2/6] secure_seq: use SipHash in place of MD5 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 3/6] random: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:13       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:13         ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:42       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-21 23:42         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-21 23:42         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-22  2:07         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22  2:07           ` [kernel-hardening] " Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22  2:07           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22  2:09           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-22  2:09             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-22  2:09             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-12-22  2:49           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  2:49             ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  2:49             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  3:12             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  3:12               ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  3:12               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  5:41             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22  5:41               ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22  6:03               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:58                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 15:58                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 16:16                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 16:16                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 16:30                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 16:36                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 12:47               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 12:47                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 13:10                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:05                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:12                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:29                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:33                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:33                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:41                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:51                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:51                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 15:53                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 15:54                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 15:54                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22 18:08                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-22 18:13                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 18:13                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22 19:50                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-12-22  2:31         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  2:31           ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  2:31           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 4/6] md5: remove from lib and only live in crypto Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 5/6] syncookies: use SipHash in place of SHA1 Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02     ` [PATCH v7 6/6] siphash: implement HalfSipHash1-3 for hash tables Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-21 23:02       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-22  0:46       ` Andi Kleen
2016-12-22  0:46         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andi Kleen
2016-12-22  1:42 [PATCH v7 1/6] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF Jason A. Donenfeld

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