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From: Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	<mark.rutland@arm.com>, <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
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	<mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 09/10] drivers/perf: Add support for ARMv8.2 Statistical Profiling Extension
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:17:43 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170113121743.31e09c7242d500d41469a068@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170113170307.GK3253@arm.com>

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:03:07 +0000
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:40:42AM -0600, Kim Phillips wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:03:48 +0000
> > Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > +#define DRVNAME				"arm_spe_pmu"
> > 
> > PMU is implied.  "arm_spe"?
> 
> As stated before, I'm going for consistency here.

me too, but apparently under the user-visible interface domain rather
than the driver source path domain.

> Is it causing any
> real issues on the tooling side?

Intel has a consistent "intel_pt", "intel_bts", and 'pmu' occurs
nowhere in their nomenclature.

Whether good or bad, we currently have "cs_etm".  This patch now gives
us "arm_spe_pmu".  I'm just trying to save the suffix consistency for
now, esp. since IDK how amenable "cs_etm" is to change, and 'perf list'
calls things "PMU event"s anyway.

I think the root cause might be the device tree node's
"arm,arm-spe-pmu-v1" compatiblity string, which I also find
a bit self-redundant ("arm,arm-"), but I'm not familiar with what's
being denoted there either (e.g., if the latter 'arm-' is an arch
reference, then SPE's might be 'armv8'?).  The device tree node isn't
exposed to the user, however.

> > > +	if (is_kernel_in_hyp_mode()) {
> > > +		if (attr->exclude_kernel != attr->exclude_hv)
> > > +			return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +	} else if (!attr->exclude_hv) {
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +	}
> > > +
> > > +	reg = arm_spe_event_to_pmsfcr(event);
> > > +	if ((reg & BIT(PMSFCR_EL1_FE_SHIFT)) &&
> > > +	    !(spe_pmu->features & SPE_PMU_FEAT_FILT_EVT))
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +
> > > +	if ((reg & BIT(PMSFCR_EL1_FT_SHIFT)) &&
> > > +	    !(spe_pmu->features & SPE_PMU_FEAT_FILT_TYP))
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +
> > > +	if ((reg & BIT(PMSFCR_EL1_FL_SHIFT)) &&
> > > +	    !(spe_pmu->features & SPE_PMU_FEAT_FILT_LAT))
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +
> > > +	return 0;
> > > +}
> > 
> > Please insert pr_* statements before blindly returning errors before a
> > better facility becomes available.
> 
> That was discussed in the thread I linked to last time:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/26/661

ok, thanks for pinpointing the exact message this time.

> and there are good reasons not to add those prints.

Processing that message (indentations are now quoting Peter Zijlstra):

> Not really. That is something that's limited to root. Whereas the
> problem is very much wider than that.

For the purposes of the SPE driver discussion, I'm ok limiting the
context of using the SPE as root.

> If you set one bit wrong in the pretty large perf_event_attr you've got
> a fair chance of getting -EINVAL on trying to create the event. Good
> luck finding what you did wrong.

yes, this is the problem, and the SPE introduces a whole new set of
validity requirements that should be being communicated clearly, e.g.,
its restrictive event frequency specification.

> Any user can create events (for their own tasks), this does not require
> root.

I don't think this is relevant to our discussion.

> Allowing users to flip your @debugging flag would be an insta DoS.

I think this is a reference to the non-root case, and might be mitigated
by either using dynamic or ratelimited pr_ versions if it were.

> Furthermore, its very unfriendly in that you have to (manually) go
> correlate random dmesg output with some program action.

Andrew Morton addresses this, and I did read all other follow-ups and
still conclude that adding pr_ messages is 1000x better than not, for
the user, and at least for the time being.

Kim

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: kim.phillips@arm.com (Kim Phillips)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH v2 09/10] drivers/perf: Add support for ARMv8.2 Statistical Profiling Extension
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:17:43 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170113121743.31e09c7242d500d41469a068@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170113170307.GK3253@arm.com>

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:03:07 +0000
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:40:42AM -0600, Kim Phillips wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:03:48 +0000
> > Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > +#define DRVNAME				"arm_spe_pmu"
> > 
> > PMU is implied.  "arm_spe"?
> 
> As stated before, I'm going for consistency here.

me too, but apparently under the user-visible interface domain rather
than the driver source path domain.

> Is it causing any
> real issues on the tooling side?

Intel has a consistent "intel_pt", "intel_bts", and 'pmu' occurs
nowhere in their nomenclature.

Whether good or bad, we currently have "cs_etm".  This patch now gives
us "arm_spe_pmu".  I'm just trying to save the suffix consistency for
now, esp. since IDK how amenable "cs_etm" is to change, and 'perf list'
calls things "PMU event"s anyway.

I think the root cause might be the device tree node's
"arm,arm-spe-pmu-v1" compatiblity string, which I also find
a bit self-redundant ("arm,arm-"), but I'm not familiar with what's
being denoted there either (e.g., if the latter 'arm-' is an arch
reference, then SPE's might be 'armv8'?).  The device tree node isn't
exposed to the user, however.

> > > +	if (is_kernel_in_hyp_mode()) {
> > > +		if (attr->exclude_kernel != attr->exclude_hv)
> > > +			return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +	} else if (!attr->exclude_hv) {
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +	}
> > > +
> > > +	reg = arm_spe_event_to_pmsfcr(event);
> > > +	if ((reg & BIT(PMSFCR_EL1_FE_SHIFT)) &&
> > > +	    !(spe_pmu->features & SPE_PMU_FEAT_FILT_EVT))
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +
> > > +	if ((reg & BIT(PMSFCR_EL1_FT_SHIFT)) &&
> > > +	    !(spe_pmu->features & SPE_PMU_FEAT_FILT_TYP))
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +
> > > +	if ((reg & BIT(PMSFCR_EL1_FL_SHIFT)) &&
> > > +	    !(spe_pmu->features & SPE_PMU_FEAT_FILT_LAT))
> > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > +
> > > +	return 0;
> > > +}
> > 
> > Please insert pr_* statements before blindly returning errors before a
> > better facility becomes available.
> 
> That was discussed in the thread I linked to last time:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/26/661

ok, thanks for pinpointing the exact message this time.

> and there are good reasons not to add those prints.

Processing that message (indentations are now quoting Peter Zijlstra):

> Not really. That is something that's limited to root. Whereas the
> problem is very much wider than that.

For the purposes of the SPE driver discussion, I'm ok limiting the
context of using the SPE as root.

> If you set one bit wrong in the pretty large perf_event_attr you've got
> a fair chance of getting -EINVAL on trying to create the event. Good
> luck finding what you did wrong.

yes, this is the problem, and the SPE introduces a whole new set of
validity requirements that should be being communicated clearly, e.g.,
its restrictive event frequency specification.

> Any user can create events (for their own tasks), this does not require
> root.

I don't think this is relevant to our discussion.

> Allowing users to flip your @debugging flag would be an insta DoS.

I think this is a reference to the non-root case, and might be mitigated
by either using dynamic or ratelimited pr_ versions if it were.

> Furthermore, its very unfriendly in that you have to (manually) go
> correlate random dmesg output with some program action.

Andrew Morton addresses this, and I did read all other follow-ups and
still conclude that adding pr_ messages is 1000x better than not, for
the user, and at least for the time being.

Kim

  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-13 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-13 16:03 [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] Add support for the ARMv8.2 Statistical Profiling Extension Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/10] arm64: cpufeature: allow for version discrepancy in PMU implementations Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/10] arm64: cpufeature: Don't enforce system-wide SPE capability Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/10] arm64: KVM: Save/restore the host SPE state when entering/leaving a VM Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-16 11:25   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-01-16 11:25     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-01-18 15:24     ` Will Deacon
2017-01-18 15:24       ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/10] arm64: head.S: Enable EL1 (host) access to SPE when entered at EL2 Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 19:21   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-01-13 19:21     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/10] genirq: export irq_get_percpu_devid_partition to modules Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 19:04   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-01-13 19:04     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-01-16  9:06   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-01-16  9:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/10] perf/core: Export AUX buffer helpers " Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/10] perf: Directly pass PERF_AUX_* flags to perf_aux_output_end Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/10] perf/core: Add PERF_AUX_FLAG_COLLISION to report colliding samples Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/10] drivers/perf: Add support for ARMv8.2 Statistical Profiling Extension Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:40   ` Kim Phillips
2017-01-13 16:40     ` Kim Phillips
2017-01-13 17:03     ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 17:03       ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 18:17       ` Kim Phillips [this message]
2017-01-13 18:17         ` Kim Phillips
2017-01-13 16:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/10] dt-bindings: Document devicetree binding for ARM SPE Will Deacon
2017-01-13 16:03   ` Will Deacon
2017-01-13 18:43   ` Mark Rutland
2017-01-13 18:43     ` Mark Rutland
2017-01-16 10:59     ` Will Deacon
2017-01-16 10:59       ` Will Deacon
2017-01-17 16:31       ` Kim Phillips
2017-01-17 16:31         ` Kim Phillips
2017-01-17 16:50         ` Mark Rutland
2017-01-17 16:50           ` Mark Rutland
2017-01-17 16:45       ` Mark Rutland
2017-01-17 16:45         ` Mark Rutland

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