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From: Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<Kernel-team@fb.com>, <danielmicay@gmail.com>,
	<minchan@kernel.org>, <hughd@google.com>, <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	<riel@redhat.com>, <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	<akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 7/7] mm: add a separate RSS for MADV_FREE pages
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:01:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170210180101.GF86050@shli-mbp.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170210133504.GO10893@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 02:35:05PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 03-02-17 15:33:23, Shaohua Li wrote:
> > Add a separate RSS for MADV_FREE pages. The pages are charged into
> > MM_ANONPAGES (because they are mapped anon pages) and also charged into
> > the MM_LAZYFREEPAGES. /proc/pid/statm will have an extra field to
> > display the RSS, which userspace can use to determine the RSS excluding
> > MADV_FREE pages.
> > 
> > The basic idea is to increment the RSS in madvise and decrement in unmap
> > or page reclaim. There is one limitation. If a page is shared by two
> > processes, since madvise only has mm cotext of current process, it isn't
> > convenient to charge the RSS for both processes. So we don't charge the
> > RSS if the mapcount isn't 1. On the other hand, fork can make a
> > MADV_FREE page shared by two processes. To make things consistent, we
> > uncharge the RSS from the source mm in fork.
> > 
> > A new flag is added to indicate if a page is accounted into the RSS. We
> > can't use SwapBacked flag to do the determination because we can't
> > guarantee the page has SwapBacked flag cleared in madvise. We are
> > reusing mappedtodisk flag which should not be set for Anon pages.
> > 
> > There are a couple of other places we need to uncharge the RSS,
> > activate_page and mark_page_accessed. activate_page is used by swap,
> > where MADV_FREE pages are already not in lazyfree state before going
> > into swap. mark_page_accessed is mainly used for file pages, but there
> > are several places it's used by anonymous pages. I fixed gup, but not
> > some gpu drivers and kvm. If the drivers use MADV_FREE, we might have
> > inprecise RSS accounting.
> > 
> > Please note, the accounting is never going to be precise. MADV_FREE page
> > could be written by userspace without notification to the kernel. The
> > page can't be reclaimed like other clean lazyfree pages. The page isn't
> > real lazyfree page. But since kernel isn't aware of this, the page is
> > still accounted as lazyfree, thus the accounting could be incorrect.
> 
> This is all quite complex and as you say unprecise already. From the
> description it is not even clear why do we need it at all. Why is
> /proc/<pid>/smaps insufficient? I am also not fun of a new page flag -
> even though you managed to recycle an existing one which is a plus.

We have monitor app running in the system to check other apps' RSS and kill
them if RSS is abnormal. Checking /proc/pid/smaps is too complicated and slow,
don't think we can go that way. Yes, the accounting isn't precise, but should
be much better than exporting nothing to userspace.

Thanks,
Shaohua

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From: Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Kernel-team@fb.com, danielmicay@gmail.com, minchan@kernel.org,
	hughd@google.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@redhat.com,
	mgorman@techsingularity.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 7/7] mm: add a separate RSS for MADV_FREE pages
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:01:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170210180101.GF86050@shli-mbp.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170210133504.GO10893@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 02:35:05PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 03-02-17 15:33:23, Shaohua Li wrote:
> > Add a separate RSS for MADV_FREE pages. The pages are charged into
> > MM_ANONPAGES (because they are mapped anon pages) and also charged into
> > the MM_LAZYFREEPAGES. /proc/pid/statm will have an extra field to
> > display the RSS, which userspace can use to determine the RSS excluding
> > MADV_FREE pages.
> > 
> > The basic idea is to increment the RSS in madvise and decrement in unmap
> > or page reclaim. There is one limitation. If a page is shared by two
> > processes, since madvise only has mm cotext of current process, it isn't
> > convenient to charge the RSS for both processes. So we don't charge the
> > RSS if the mapcount isn't 1. On the other hand, fork can make a
> > MADV_FREE page shared by two processes. To make things consistent, we
> > uncharge the RSS from the source mm in fork.
> > 
> > A new flag is added to indicate if a page is accounted into the RSS. We
> > can't use SwapBacked flag to do the determination because we can't
> > guarantee the page has SwapBacked flag cleared in madvise. We are
> > reusing mappedtodisk flag which should not be set for Anon pages.
> > 
> > There are a couple of other places we need to uncharge the RSS,
> > activate_page and mark_page_accessed. activate_page is used by swap,
> > where MADV_FREE pages are already not in lazyfree state before going
> > into swap. mark_page_accessed is mainly used for file pages, but there
> > are several places it's used by anonymous pages. I fixed gup, but not
> > some gpu drivers and kvm. If the drivers use MADV_FREE, we might have
> > inprecise RSS accounting.
> > 
> > Please note, the accounting is never going to be precise. MADV_FREE page
> > could be written by userspace without notification to the kernel. The
> > page can't be reclaimed like other clean lazyfree pages. The page isn't
> > real lazyfree page. But since kernel isn't aware of this, the page is
> > still accounted as lazyfree, thus the accounting could be incorrect.
> 
> This is all quite complex and as you say unprecise already. From the
> description it is not even clear why do we need it at all. Why is
> /proc/<pid>/smaps insufficient? I am also not fun of a new page flag -
> even though you managed to recycle an existing one which is a plus.

We have monitor app running in the system to check other apps' RSS and kill
them if RSS is abnormal. Checking /proc/pid/smaps is too complicated and slow,
don't think we can go that way. Yes, the accounting isn't precise, but should
be much better than exporting nothing to userspace.

Thanks,
Shaohua

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-10 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-03 23:33 [PATCH V2 0/7] mm: fix some MADV_FREE issues Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33 ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33 ` [PATCH V2 1/7] mm: don't assume anonymous pages have SwapBacked flag Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33 ` [PATCH V2 2/7] mm: move MADV_FREE pages into LRU_INACTIVE_FILE list Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-04  6:38   ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-04  6:38     ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-09  6:33     ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-09  6:33       ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-10  6:50   ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-10  6:50     ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-10 17:30     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 17:30       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-13  4:57       ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-13  4:57         ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-10 13:02   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 13:02     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 17:33     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 17:33       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33 ` [PATCH V2 3/7] mm: reclaim MADV_FREE pages Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10  6:58   ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-10  6:58     ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-10 17:43     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 17:43       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-13  5:06       ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-13  5:06         ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-10 13:23   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 13:23     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-03 23:33 ` [PATCH V2 4/7] mm: enable MADV_FREE for swapless system Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33 ` [PATCH V2 5/7] mm: add vmstat account for MADV_FREE pages Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 13:27   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 13:27     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 17:50     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 17:50       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-21  9:43       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-21  9:43         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-03 23:33 ` [PATCH V2 6/7] proc: show MADV_FREE pages info in smaps Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 13:30   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 13:30     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 17:52     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 17:52       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-22  2:47   ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-22  2:47     ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-22  4:11     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-22  4:11       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33 ` [PATCH V2 7/7] mm: add a separate RSS for MADV_FREE pages Shaohua Li
2017-02-03 23:33   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-10 13:35   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 13:35     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 18:01     ` Shaohua Li [this message]
2017-02-10 18:01       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-21  9:45       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-21  9:45         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-22  0:46   ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-22  0:46     ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-22  1:27     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-22  1:27       ` Shaohua Li

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