From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> Cc: "Thomas Garnier" <thgarnie@google.com>, "Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>, "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>, "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>, "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>, "Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@redhat.com>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>, "Matthias Kaehlcke" <mka@chromium.org>, "Boris Ostrovsky" <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>, "Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>, "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>, "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>, "Tom Lendacky" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>, "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>, "Borislav Petkov" <bp@suse.de>, "Brian Gerst" <brgerst@gmail.com>, "Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>, "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>, "Len Brown" <len.brown@intel.com>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org> Subject: Re: x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:49:59 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20170923094959.hfzx7fzrdyj47vdn@gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <b65e912f-eeb3-5f1e-bb4a-2dffc0b6481e@zytor.com> * H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote: > On 09/22/17 09:32, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > BTW., I think things improved with ORC because with ORC we have RBP as an extra > > register and with PIE we lose RBX - so register pressure in code generation is > > lower. > > > > We lose EBX on 32 bits, but we don't lose RBX on 64 bits - since x86-64 > has RIP-relative addressing there is no need for a dedicated PIC register. Indeed, but we'd use a new register _a lot_ for constructs, transforming: mov r9,QWORD PTR [r11*8-0x7e3da060] (8 bytes) into: lea rbx,[rip+<off>] (7 bytes) mov r9,QWORD PTR [rbx+r11*8] (6 bytes) ... which I suppose is quite close to (but not the same as) 'losing' RBX. Of course the compiler can pick other registers as well, not that it matters much to register pressure in larger functions in the end. Plus if the compiler has to pick a callee-saved register there's the additional saving/restoring overhead of that as well. Right? > I'm somewhat confused how we can have as much as almost 1% overhead. I suspect > that we end up making a GOT and maybe even a PLT for no good reason. So the above transformation alone would explain a good chunk of the overhead I think. Thanks, Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> Cc: "Thomas Garnier" <thgarnie@google.com>, "Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>, "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>, "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>, "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>, "Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@redhat.com>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>, "Matthias Kaehlcke" <mka@chromium.org>, "Boris Ostrovsky" <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>, "Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>, "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>, "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>, "Tom Lendacky" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>, "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>, "Borislav Petkov" <bp@suse.de>, "Brian Gerst" <brgerst@gmail.com>, "Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>, "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>, "Len Brown" <len.brown@intel.com>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>, "Christoph Lameter" <cl@linux.com>, "Paul Gortmaker" <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>, "Chris Metcalf" <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>, "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, "Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>, "Nicolas Pitre" <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>, "Christopher Li" <sparse@chrisli.org>, "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>, "Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>, "Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>, "Dou Liyang" <douly.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>, "Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>, "Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>, "Masahiro Yamada" <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>, "Markus Trippelsdorf" <markus@trippelsdorf.de>, "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>, "Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>, "Rik van Riel" <riel@redhat.com>, "David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>, "Waiman Long" <longman@redhat.com>, "Kyle Huey" <me@kylehuey.com>, "Peter Foley" <pefoley2@pefoley.com>, "Tim Chen" <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>, "Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>, "Ard Biesheuvel" <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>, "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>, "Matthew Wilcox" <mawilcox@microsoft.com>, "H . J . Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, "Paul Bolle" <pebolle@tiscali.nl>, "Rob Landley" <rob@landley.net>, "Baoquan He" <bhe@redhat.com>, "Daniel Micay" <danielmicay@gmail.com>, "the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>, "Linux Crypto Mailing List" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>, "kvm list" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Linux PM list" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>, linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, "Sparse Mailing-list" <linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org>, "Kernel Hardening" <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>, "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, "Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>, "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de> Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:49:59 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20170923094959.hfzx7fzrdyj47vdn@gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <b65e912f-eeb3-5f1e-bb4a-2dffc0b6481e@zytor.com> * H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote: > On 09/22/17 09:32, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > BTW., I think things improved with ORC because with ORC we have RBP as an extra > > register and with PIE we lose RBX - so register pressure in code generation is > > lower. > > > > We lose EBX on 32 bits, but we don't lose RBX on 64 bits - since x86-64 > has RIP-relative addressing there is no need for a dedicated PIC register. Indeed, but we'd use a new register _a lot_ for constructs, transforming: mov r9,QWORD PTR [r11*8-0x7e3da060] (8 bytes) into: lea rbx,[rip+<off>] (7 bytes) mov r9,QWORD PTR [rbx+r11*8] (6 bytes) ... which I suppose is quite close to (but not the same as) 'losing' RBX. Of course the compiler can pick other registers as well, not that it matters much to register pressure in larger functions in the end. Plus if the compiler has to pick a callee-saved register there's the additional saving/restoring overhead of that as well. Right? > I'm somewhat confused how we can have as much as almost 1% overhead. I suspect > that we end up making a GOT and maybe even a PLT for no good reason. So the above transformation alone would explain a good chunk of the overhead I think. Thanks, Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-23 9:49 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2017-08-10 17:25 x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [RFC v2 01/23] x86/crypto: Adapt assembly for PIE support Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [RFC v2 02/23] x86: Use symbol name on bug table " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [RFC v2 03/23] x86: Use symbol name in jump " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [RFC v2 04/23] x86: Add macro to get symbol address " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [RFC v2 05/23] xen: Adapt assembly " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [RFC v2 06/23] kvm: " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [RFC v2 07/23] x86: relocate_kernel - " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 08/23] x86/entry/64: " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 09/23] x86: pm-trace - " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 10/23] x86/CPU: " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 11/23] x86/acpi: " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 12/23] x86/boot/64: " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 13/23] x86/power/64: " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-11 12:36 ` Pavel Machek 2017-08-11 12:36 ` Pavel Machek 2017-08-11 12:36 ` [kernel-hardening] " Pavel Machek 2017-08-11 15:09 ` Thomas Garnier 2017-08-11 15:09 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-11 15:09 ` Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 14/23] x86/paravirt: " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 15/23] x86/boot/64: Use _text in a global " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 16/23] x86/percpu: Adapt percpu " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 17/23] compiler: Option to default to hidden symbols Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 18/23] x86/relocs: Handle DYN relocations for PIE support Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 19/23] x86: Support global stack cookie Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 20/23] x86/pie: Add option to build the kernel as PIE for x86_64 Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 21/23] x86/relocs: Add option to generate 64-bit relocations Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 22/23] x86/module: Add support for mcmodel large and PLTs Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [RFC v2 23/23] x86/kaslr: Add option to extend KASLR range from 1GB to 3GB Thomas Garnier 2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-11 12:41 ` x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Ingo Molnar 2017-08-11 12:41 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar 2017-08-11 15:09 ` Thomas Garnier 2017-08-11 15:09 ` Thomas Garnier 2017-08-11 15:09 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier 2017-08-15 7:56 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-08-15 7:56 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-08-15 7:56 ` 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