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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Cc: keescook@chromium.org, mcgrof@kernel.org, tixxdz@gmail.com,
	luto@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	james.l.morris@oracle.com, ben.hutchings@codethink.co.uk,
	solar@openwall.com, serge@hallyn.com, jeyu@kernel.org,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	mingo@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap()
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:50:14 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171129.095014.1909386937628805919.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171129134612.72ccb53d@alans-desktop>

From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:46:12 +0000

> I really don't care what the module loading rules end up with and
> whether we add CAP_SYS_YET_ANOTHER_MEANINGLESS_FLAG but what is
> actually needed is to properly incorporate it into securiy ruiles
> for whatever LSM you are using.

I'm surprised we're not using the SHA1 hashes or whatever we compute
for the modules to make sure we are loading the foo.ko that we expect
to be.

Then even if someone can rename every file on the system they cannot
force a rogue module to load unless they build one with a proper hash
collision.

Ie. transform module load strings at build time:

	ppp.ko	--> ppp.ko:SHA1

Or something like that.  And the kernel refuses to load a ppp.ko
with a mismatching SHA1.

All of this capability stuff seems to dance a circle around the
problem rather than fix it.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: davem@davemloft.net (David Miller)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap()
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:50:14 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171129.095014.1909386937628805919.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171129134612.72ccb53d@alans-desktop>

From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:46:12 +0000

> I really don't care what the module loading rules end up with and
> whether we add CAP_SYS_YET_ANOTHER_MEANINGLESS_FLAG but what is
> actually needed is to properly incorporate it into securiy ruiles
> for whatever LSM you are using.

I'm surprised we're not using the SHA1 hashes or whatever we compute
for the modules to make sure we are loading the foo.ko that we expect
to be.

Then even if someone can rename every file on the system they cannot
force a rogue module to load unless they build one with a proper hash
collision.

Ie. transform module load strings at build time:

	ppp.ko	--> ppp.ko:SHA1

Or something like that.  And the kernel refuses to load a ppp.ko
with a mismatching SHA1.

All of this capability stuff seems to dance a circle around the
problem rather than fix it.
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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Cc: keescook@chromium.org, mcgrof@kernel.org, tixxdz@gmail.com,
	luto@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	james.l.morris@oracle.com, ben.hutchings@codethink.co.uk,
	solar@openwall.com, serge@hallyn.com, jeyu@kernel.org,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	mingo@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap()
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:50:14 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171129.095014.1909386937628805919.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171129134612.72ccb53d@alans-desktop>

From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:46:12 +0000

> I really don't care what the module loading rules end up with and
> whether we add CAP_SYS_YET_ANOTHER_MEANINGLESS_FLAG but what is
> actually needed is to properly incorporate it into securiy ruiles
> for whatever LSM you are using.

I'm surprised we're not using the SHA1 hashes or whatever we compute
for the modules to make sure we are loading the foo.ko that we expect
to be.

Then even if someone can rename every file on the system they cannot
force a rogue module to load unless they build one with a proper hash
collision.

Ie. transform module load strings at build time:

	ppp.ko	--> ppp.ko:SHA1

Or something like that.  And the kernel refuses to load a ppp.ko
with a mismatching SHA1.

All of this capability stuff seems to dance a circle around the
problem rather than fix it.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-29 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 266+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 17:18 [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap() Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:48   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 18:48     ` [kernel-hardening] " Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 18:48     ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 21:35     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:35       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:35       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 19:14   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 19:14     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 20:11     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:11       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:11       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:16       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:16         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:33         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:18           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:52             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:52               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:52               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:39           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:39           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:12           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:12             ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:12             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:18               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:18               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:48               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:48                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:48                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-29  7:49                 ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29  7:49                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29  7:49                   ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29 13:46           ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 13:46             ` [kernel-hardening] " Alan Cox
2017-11-29 13:46             ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 14:50             ` David Miller [this message]
2017-11-29 14:50               ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-29 14:50               ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:54               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:54                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:54                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:58                 ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:58                   ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-29 15:58                   ` David Miller
2017-11-29 16:29                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 16:29                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 16:29                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 22:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:06                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 17:28                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-29 17:28                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-29 17:28                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30  0:35                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30  0:35                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30  0:35                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 17:17                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30 17:17                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30 17:17                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-28 20:18     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 20:18       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 20:18       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 2/5] modules:capabilities: add cap_kernel_module_request() permission check Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  2:05   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  2:05     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  2:05     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 3/5] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  1:23   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  1:23     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  1:23     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30 12:22     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 12:22       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 12:22       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 4/5] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules auto-load mode Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 5/5] net: modules: use request_module_cap() to load 'netdev-%s' modules Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:41     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 22:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:59         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:19             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28  1:23             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 12:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 12:16           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 12:16           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 19:32           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 19:32             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 19:32             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 20:08             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:08               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:08               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:20                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:20                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:20                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:33                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:33                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 21:10                     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:10                       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:10                       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:33                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:33                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:29                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:29                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:29                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:49                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:49                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:49                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  0:18                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:18                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:18                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  6:36                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  6:36                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  6:36                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 14:46                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 14:46                               ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 14:46                               ` Geo Kozey
2017-12-01 15:22                             ` Marcus Meissner
2017-12-01 15:22                               ` Marcus Meissner
2017-12-01 15:22                               ` Marcus Meissner
2017-11-28 23:53                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 23:53                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 23:53                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:51                     ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 21:51                       ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 21:51                       ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 23:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:26                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:26                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:26                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  4:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29  4:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29  4:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29 18:30                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:30                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:30                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:46                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 21:17                                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 21:17                                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 21:17                                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 22:14                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:14                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:14                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:44                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:44                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:44                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  2:08                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  2:08                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  2:08                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  6:51                                       ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  6:51                                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  6:51                                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  8:50                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  8:50                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  8:50                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:16                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:16                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:16                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:51                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:51                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:51                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-12-01  6:39                                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-12-01  6:39                                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-12-01  6:39                                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-29 15:28                           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 15:28                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 15:28                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-27 18:41 ` [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:31       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 19:14   ` David Miller
2017-11-27 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-27 19:14     ` David Miller
2017-11-27 22:31     ` James Morris
2017-11-27 22:31       ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2017-11-27 22:31       ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:04       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:04         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:04         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:44         ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:44           ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2017-11-27 23:44           ` James Morris

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