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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	James Morris <james.l.morris@oracle.com>,
	Ben Hutchings <ben.hutchings@codethink.co.uk>,
	Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>, Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap()
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:11:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jKgHWNE4NH_xqcM084-BNBPy+HmEVPbTA+w_=K3S6gC=w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171128191405.GO729@wotan.suse.de>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
> kmod is just a helper to poke userpsace to load a module, that's it.
>
> The old init_module() and newer finit_module() do the real handy work or
> module loading, and both currently only use may_init_module():
>
> static int may_init_module(void)
> {
>         if (!capable(CAP_SYS_MODULE) || modules_disabled)
>                 return -EPERM;
>
>         return 0;
> }
>
> This begs the question:
>
>   o If userspace just tries to just use raw finit_module() do we want similar
>     checks?
>
> Otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong this all seems pointless.

Hm? That's direct-loading, not auto-loading. This series is only about
auto-loading.

We already have a global sysctl for blocking direct-loading (modules_disabled).

> If we want something similar I think we might need to be processing aliases and
> check for the aliases for their desired restrictions on finit_module(),

We don't need to handle aliases.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

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From: keescook@chromium.org (Kees Cook)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap()
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:11:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jKgHWNE4NH_xqcM084-BNBPy+HmEVPbTA+w_=K3S6gC=w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171128191405.GO729@wotan.suse.de>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
> kmod is just a helper to poke userpsace to load a module, that's it.
>
> The old init_module() and newer finit_module() do the real handy work or
> module loading, and both currently only use may_init_module():
>
> static int may_init_module(void)
> {
>         if (!capable(CAP_SYS_MODULE) || modules_disabled)
>                 return -EPERM;
>
>         return 0;
> }
>
> This begs the question:
>
>   o If userspace just tries to just use raw finit_module() do we want similar
>     checks?
>
> Otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong this all seems pointless.

Hm? That's direct-loading, not auto-loading. This series is only about
auto-loading.

We already have a global sysctl for blocking direct-loading (modules_disabled).

> If we want something similar I think we might need to be processing aliases and
> check for the aliases for their desired restrictions on finit_module(),

We don't need to handle aliases.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security
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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	James Morris <james.l.morris@oracle.com>,
	Ben Hutchings <ben.hutchings@codethink.co.uk>,
	Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>, Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap()
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:11:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jKgHWNE4NH_xqcM084-BNBPy+HmEVPbTA+w_=K3S6gC=w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171128191405.GO729@wotan.suse.de>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
> kmod is just a helper to poke userpsace to load a module, that's it.
>
> The old init_module() and newer finit_module() do the real handy work or
> module loading, and both currently only use may_init_module():
>
> static int may_init_module(void)
> {
>         if (!capable(CAP_SYS_MODULE) || modules_disabled)
>                 return -EPERM;
>
>         return 0;
> }
>
> This begs the question:
>
>   o If userspace just tries to just use raw finit_module() do we want similar
>     checks?
>
> Otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong this all seems pointless.

Hm? That's direct-loading, not auto-loading. This series is only about
auto-loading.

We already have a global sysctl for blocking direct-loading (modules_disabled).

> If we want something similar I think we might need to be processing aliases and
> check for the aliases for their desired restrictions on finit_module(),

We don't need to handle aliases.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-28 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 266+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 17:18 [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap() Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:48   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 18:48     ` [kernel-hardening] " Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 18:48     ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 21:35     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:35       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:35       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 19:14   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 19:14     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 20:11     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2017-11-28 20:11       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:11       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:16       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:16         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:33         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:18           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:52             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:52               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:52               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:39           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:39           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:12           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:12             ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:12             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:18               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:18               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:48               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:48                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:48                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-29  7:49                 ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29  7:49                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29  7:49                   ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29 13:46           ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 13:46             ` [kernel-hardening] " Alan Cox
2017-11-29 13:46             ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 14:50             ` David Miller
2017-11-29 14:50               ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-29 14:50               ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:54               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:54                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:54                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:58                 ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:58                   ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-29 15:58                   ` David Miller
2017-11-29 16:29                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 16:29                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 16:29                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 22:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:06                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 17:28                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-29 17:28                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-29 17:28                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30  0:35                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30  0:35                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30  0:35                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 17:17                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30 17:17                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30 17:17                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-28 20:18     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 20:18       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 20:18       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 2/5] modules:capabilities: add cap_kernel_module_request() permission check Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  2:05   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  2:05     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  2:05     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 3/5] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  1:23   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  1:23     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  1:23     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30 12:22     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 12:22       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 12:22       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 4/5] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules auto-load mode Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 5/5] net: modules: use request_module_cap() to load 'netdev-%s' modules Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:41     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 22:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:59         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:19             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28  1:23             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 12:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 12:16           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 12:16           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 19:32           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 19:32             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 19:32             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 20:08             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:08               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:08               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:20                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:20                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:20                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:33                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:33                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 21:10                     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:10                       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:10                       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:33                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:33                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:29                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:29                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:29                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:49                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:49                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:49                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  0:18                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:18                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:18                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  6:36                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  6:36                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  6:36                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 14:46                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 14:46                               ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 14:46                               ` Geo Kozey
2017-12-01 15:22                             ` Marcus Meissner
2017-12-01 15:22                               ` Marcus Meissner
2017-12-01 15:22                               ` Marcus Meissner
2017-11-28 23:53                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 23:53                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 23:53                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:51                     ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 21:51                       ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 21:51                       ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 23:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:26                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:26                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:26                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  4:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29  4:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29  4:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29 18:30                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:30                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:30                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:46                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 21:17                                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 21:17                                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 21:17                                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 22:14                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:14                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:14                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:44                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:44                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:44                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  2:08                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  2:08                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  2:08                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  6:51                                       ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  6:51                                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  6:51                                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  8:50                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  8:50                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  8:50                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:16                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:16                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:16                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:51                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:51                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:51                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-12-01  6:39                                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-12-01  6:39                                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-12-01  6:39                                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-29 15:28                           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 15:28                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 15:28                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-27 18:41 ` [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:31       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 19:14   ` David Miller
2017-11-27 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-27 19:14     ` David Miller
2017-11-27 22:31     ` James Morris
2017-11-27 22:31       ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2017-11-27 22:31       ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:04       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:04         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:04         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:44         ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:44           ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2017-11-27 23:44           ` James Morris

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