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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	James Morris <james.l.morris@oracle.com>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Geo Kozey <geokozey@mailfence.com>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v5 next 5/5] net: modules: use request_module_cap() to load 'netdev-%s' modules
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:20:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5j+OzbUAcqVBuC8QoY-ZiA9Xw6Uf9kzfzpx9MQHQ1LtxVQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzvaFR1skBFKwT1QPnKqxaLqCuq33FCuYz8DP7MjKkgNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>>
>> Linus, are you okay with this series if the global sysctl gets dropped?
>
> So really, it's not the "global sysctl" as much as the "global
> request_module()" that annoys me.
>
> I'll happily take the request_module_cap() part and the thing that
> makes networking use that.
>
> But the flag that we have to default to off because it breaks every
> single box otherwise? No. It doesn't  matter if it's one single global
> or just a "global behavior for request_module() for this process" at
> that point, it's still a pointless security flag that is opt-in.

To be clear: such a flag wouldn't doesn't break every system, but I
understand your concern.

So what's the right path forward for allowing a way to block
autoloading? Separate existing request_module() calls into "must be
privileged" and "can be unpriv" first, then rework the series to deal
with the "unpriv okay" subset?

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: keescook@chromium.org (Kees Cook)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v5 next 5/5] net: modules: use request_module_cap() to load 'netdev-%s' modules
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:20:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5j+OzbUAcqVBuC8QoY-ZiA9Xw6Uf9kzfzpx9MQHQ1LtxVQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzvaFR1skBFKwT1QPnKqxaLqCuq33FCuYz8DP7MjKkgNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>>
>> Linus, are you okay with this series if the global sysctl gets dropped?
>
> So really, it's not the "global sysctl" as much as the "global
> request_module()" that annoys me.
>
> I'll happily take the request_module_cap() part and the thing that
> makes networking use that.
>
> But the flag that we have to default to off because it breaks every
> single box otherwise? No. It doesn't  matter if it's one single global
> or just a "global behavior for request_module() for this process" at
> that point, it's still a pointless security flag that is opt-in.

To be clear: such a flag wouldn't doesn't break every system, but I
understand your concern.

So what's the right path forward for allowing a way to block
autoloading? Separate existing request_module() calls into "must be
privileged" and "can be unpriv" first, then rework the series to deal
with the "unpriv okay" subset?

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-28 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 266+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 17:18 [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap() Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:48   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 18:48     ` [kernel-hardening] " Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 18:48     ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 21:35     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:35       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:35       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 19:14   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 19:14     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 20:11     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:11       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:11       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:16       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:16         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:33         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:18           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:52             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:52               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:52               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:39           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:39           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:12           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:12             ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:12             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:18               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:18               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:48               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:48                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:48                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-29  7:49                 ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29  7:49                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29  7:49                   ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29 13:46           ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 13:46             ` [kernel-hardening] " Alan Cox
2017-11-29 13:46             ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 14:50             ` David Miller
2017-11-29 14:50               ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-29 14:50               ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:54               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:54                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:54                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:58                 ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:58                   ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-29 15:58                   ` David Miller
2017-11-29 16:29                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 16:29                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 16:29                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 22:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:06                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:06                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 17:28                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-29 17:28                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-29 17:28                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30  0:35                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30  0:35                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30  0:35                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 17:17                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30 17:17                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30 17:17                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-28 20:18     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 20:18       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 20:18       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 2/5] modules:capabilities: add cap_kernel_module_request() permission check Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  2:05   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  2:05     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  2:05     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 3/5] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  1:23   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  1:23     ` [kernel-hardening] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30  1:23     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30 12:22     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 12:22       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 12:22       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 4/5] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules auto-load mode Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 5/5] net: modules: use request_module_cap() to load 'netdev-%s' modules Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:41     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:41       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 22:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:59         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 22:59           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:19             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:19               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28  1:23             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28  1:23               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 12:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 12:16           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 12:16           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 19:32           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 19:32             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 19:32             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 20:08             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:08               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:08               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:20                 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2017-11-28 20:20                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:20                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:33                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:33                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 21:10                     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:10                       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:10                       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:33                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:33                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:29                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:29                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:29                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:49                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:49                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:49                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  0:18                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:18                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:18                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  6:36                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  6:36                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  6:36                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 14:46                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 14:46                               ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 14:46                               ` Geo Kozey
2017-12-01 15:22                             ` Marcus Meissner
2017-12-01 15:22                               ` Marcus Meissner
2017-12-01 15:22                               ` Marcus Meissner
2017-11-28 23:53                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 23:53                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 23:53                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:51                     ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 21:51                       ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 21:51                       ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 23:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:26                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:26                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:26                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  4:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29  4:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29  4:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29 18:30                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:30                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:30                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:46                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 21:17                                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 21:17                                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 21:17                                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 22:14                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:14                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 22:14                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:44                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:44                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  0:44                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  2:08                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  2:08                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  2:08                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  6:51                                       ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  6:51                                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  6:51                                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  8:50                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  8:50                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  8:50                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:16                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:16                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:16                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:51                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:51                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:51                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-12-01  6:39                                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-12-01  6:39                                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-12-01  6:39                                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-29 15:28                           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 15:28                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-29 15:28                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-27 18:41 ` [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 18:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:31       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 21:31         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 19:14   ` David Miller
2017-11-27 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " David Miller
2017-11-27 19:14     ` David Miller
2017-11-27 22:31     ` James Morris
2017-11-27 22:31       ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2017-11-27 22:31       ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:04       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:04         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:04         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:44         ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:44           ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2017-11-27 23:44           ` James Morris

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