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From: Antoine Tenart <antoine.tenart@free-electrons.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Antoine Tenart <antoine.tenart@free-electrons.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, kishon@ti.com, andrew@lunn.ch,
	jason@lakedaemon.net, sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com,
	gregory.clement@free-electrons.com, mw@semihalf.com,
	stefanc@marvell.com, ymarkman@marvell.com,
	thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com,
	miquel.raynal@free-electrons.com, nadavh@marvell.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jon Nettleton <jon@solid-run.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 5/6] arm64: dts: marvell: mcbin: enable the fourth network interface
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:04:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171228100416.GD2626@kwain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171227231959.GU10595@n2100.armlinux.org.uk>

Hi Russell,

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:20:00PM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:42:52PM +0100, Antoine Tenart wrote:
> > 
> > What do you suggest to describe this in the dt, to enable a port using
> > the current PPv2 driver?
> 
> I don't - I'm merely pointing out that you're bodging support for the
> SFP cage rather than productively discussing phylink for mvpp2.
> 
> As far as I remember, the discussion stalled at this point:
> 
> - You think there's modes that mvpp2 supports that are not supportable
>   if you use phylink.
> 
> - I've described what phylink supports, and I've asked you for details
>   about what you can't support.

That's not what I remembered. You had some valid points, and others
related to PHY modes the driver wasn't supporting before the phylink
transition. My understanding of this was that you wanted a full
featured support while I only wanted to convert the already supported
modes.

> Unfortunately, no details have been forthcoming, and no further
> discussion has occurred - the ball is entirely in your court to
> progress this issue since I requested information from you and that
> is where things seem to have stalled.
> 
> The result is that, with your patch, you're locking the port to 2.5G
> speeds, meaning that only 4.3Mbps Fibrechannel SFPs can be used with
> the port, and it can only be used with another device that supports
> 2.5G speeds.  You can't use a copper RJ45 module, and you can't use
> a standard 1000base-X module either in this configuration.

You're probably right about not wanting this dt patch. The non-dt
patches still are relevant regardless of phylink being supported in the
PPv2 driver. I'll send a v2 without the dt parts.

Regarding the phylink patch it's stalled for now as I have other
priorities, but I do agree it's a topic that needs to be worked on for a
proper support. I initially made a patch to be nice as it was mentioned
on a previous series, but given the feedback I got I decided to delay it
until my other tasks were completed.

So let's delay the fourth interface support on the mcbin for now.

> What I'm most concerned about, given the bindings for comphy that
> have been merged, is that Free Electrons is pushing forward seemingly
> with no regard to the requirement that the serdes lanes are dynamically
> reconfigurable, and that's a basic requirement for SFP, and for the
> 88x3310 PHYs on the Macchiatobin platform.

The main idea behind the comphy driver is to provide a way to
reconfigure the serdes lanes at runtime. Could you develop what are
blocking points to properly support SFP, regarding the current comphy
support?

Thanks,
Antoine

-- 
Antoine Ténart, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
http://free-electrons.com

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: antoine.tenart@free-electrons.com (Antoine Tenart)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH net-next 5/6] arm64: dts: marvell: mcbin: enable the fourth network interface
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:04:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171228100416.GD2626@kwain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171227231959.GU10595@n2100.armlinux.org.uk>

Hi Russell,

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:20:00PM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:42:52PM +0100, Antoine Tenart wrote:
> > 
> > What do you suggest to describe this in the dt, to enable a port using
> > the current PPv2 driver?
> 
> I don't - I'm merely pointing out that you're bodging support for the
> SFP cage rather than productively discussing phylink for mvpp2.
> 
> As far as I remember, the discussion stalled at this point:
> 
> - You think there's modes that mvpp2 supports that are not supportable
>   if you use phylink.
> 
> - I've described what phylink supports, and I've asked you for details
>   about what you can't support.

That's not what I remembered. You had some valid points, and others
related to PHY modes the driver wasn't supporting before the phylink
transition. My understanding of this was that you wanted a full
featured support while I only wanted to convert the already supported
modes.

> Unfortunately, no details have been forthcoming, and no further
> discussion has occurred - the ball is entirely in your court to
> progress this issue since I requested information from you and that
> is where things seem to have stalled.
> 
> The result is that, with your patch, you're locking the port to 2.5G
> speeds, meaning that only 4.3Mbps Fibrechannel SFPs can be used with
> the port, and it can only be used with another device that supports
> 2.5G speeds.  You can't use a copper RJ45 module, and you can't use
> a standard 1000base-X module either in this configuration.

You're probably right about not wanting this dt patch. The non-dt
patches still are relevant regardless of phylink being supported in the
PPv2 driver. I'll send a v2 without the dt parts.

Regarding the phylink patch it's stalled for now as I have other
priorities, but I do agree it's a topic that needs to be worked on for a
proper support. I initially made a patch to be nice as it was mentioned
on a previous series, but given the feedback I got I decided to delay it
until my other tasks were completed.

So let's delay the fourth interface support on the mcbin for now.

> What I'm most concerned about, given the bindings for comphy that
> have been merged, is that Free Electrons is pushing forward seemingly
> with no regard to the requirement that the serdes lanes are dynamically
> reconfigurable, and that's a basic requirement for SFP, and for the
> 88x3310 PHYs on the Macchiatobin platform.

The main idea behind the comphy driver is to provide a way to
reconfigure the serdes lanes at runtime. Could you develop what are
blocking points to properly support SFP, regarding the current comphy
support?

Thanks,
Antoine

-- 
Antoine T?nart, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
http://free-electrons.com

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-28 10:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-27 22:14 [PATCH net-next 0/6] net: mvpp2: 1000BaseX and 2000BaseX support Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14 ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] phy: add 2.5G SGMII mode to the phy_mode enum Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14   ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28  7:20   ` Andrew Lunn
2017-12-28  7:20     ` Andrew Lunn
2017-12-28 10:06     ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 10:06       ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 14:16       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-12-28 14:16         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-12-28 18:24         ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 18:24           ` Antoine Tenart
2018-01-03 14:35         ` Antoine Tenart
2018-01-03 14:35           ` Antoine Tenart
2018-01-03 15:08           ` Andrew Lunn
2018-01-03 15:08             ` Andrew Lunn
2018-01-03 17:29             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-03 17:29               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-27 22:14 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] phy: cp110-comphy: 2.5G SGMII mode Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14   ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] net: mvpp2: 1000baseX support Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14   ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] net: mvpp2: 2500baseX support Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14   ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] arm64: dts: marvell: mcbin: enable the fourth network interface Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14   ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:24   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-27 22:24     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-27 22:42     ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:42       ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 23:20       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-27 23:20         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-28 10:04         ` Antoine Tenart [this message]
2017-12-28 10:04           ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 18:59           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-28 18:59             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-29 21:41             ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-29 21:41               ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28  7:46     ` Andrew Lunn
2017-12-28  7:46       ` Andrew Lunn
2017-12-28  7:46       ` Andrew Lunn
2017-12-28 10:05       ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 10:05         ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 15:02         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-12-28 15:02           ` Florian Fainelli
2017-12-28 18:27           ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 18:27             ` Antoine Tenart
2017-12-28 18:46             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-28 18:46               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-29 11:12               ` Marcin Wojtas
2017-12-29 11:12                 ` Marcin Wojtas
2017-12-29 11:38                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-29 11:38                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-30 16:34                   ` Marcin Wojtas
2017-12-30 16:34                     ` Marcin Wojtas
2017-12-30 17:31                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-30 17:31                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-01 10:18                       ` Marcin Wojtas
2018-01-01 10:18                         ` Marcin Wojtas
2018-01-01 10:35                         ` [EXT] " Stefan Chulski
2018-01-01 10:35                           ` Stefan Chulski
2018-01-01 13:25                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-01 13:25                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-01 13:25                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-03 17:00                             ` Stefan Chulski
2018-01-03 17:00                               ` Stefan Chulski
2018-01-03 17:00                               ` Stefan Chulski
2018-01-03 17:54                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-03 17:54                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-03 17:54                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-03 18:17                                 ` Marcin Wojtas
2018-01-03 18:17                                   ` Marcin Wojtas
2018-01-03 18:26                                 ` Stefan Chulski
2018-01-03 18:26                                   ` Stefan Chulski
2018-01-03 18:26                                   ` Stefan Chulski
2017-12-27 22:14 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] arm64: dts: marvell: add Ethernet aliases Antoine Tenart
2017-12-27 22:14   ` Antoine Tenart

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