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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] mm/memcg: try harder to decrease [memory,memsw].limit_in_bytes
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:46:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180115124652.GB22473@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d1b5bfb-f602-8cf4-2de6-dd186484e55c@virtuozzo.com>

On Mon 15-01-18 15:30:59, Andrey Ryabinin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 01/12/2018 03:24 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Fri 12-01-18 00:59:38, Andrey Ryabinin wrote:
> >> On 01/11/2018 07:29 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> I do not think so. Consider that this reclaim races with other
> >>> reclaimers. Now you are reclaiming a large chunk so you might end up
> >>> reclaiming more than necessary. SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX would reduce the over
> >>> reclaim to be negligible.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did consider this. And I think, I already explained that sort of race in previous email.
> >> Whether "Task B" is really a task in cgroup or it's actually a bunch of reclaimers,
> >> doesn't matter. That doesn't change anything.
> > 
> > I would _really_ prefer two patches here. The first one removing the
> > hard coded reclaim count. That thing is just dubious at best. If you
> > _really_ think that the higher reclaim target is meaningfull then make
> > it a separate patch. I am not conviced but I will not nack it it either.
> > But it will make our life much easier if my over reclaim concern is
> > right and we will need to revert it. Conceptually those two changes are
> > independent anywa.
> > 
> 
> Ok, fair point. But what about livelock than? Don't you think that we should
> go back to something like in V1 patch to prevent it?

I am not sure what do you mean by the livelock here.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] mm/memcg: try harder to decrease [memory,memsw].limit_in_bytes
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:46:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180115124652.GB22473@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d1b5bfb-f602-8cf4-2de6-dd186484e55c@virtuozzo.com>

On Mon 15-01-18 15:30:59, Andrey Ryabinin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 01/12/2018 03:24 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Fri 12-01-18 00:59:38, Andrey Ryabinin wrote:
> >> On 01/11/2018 07:29 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> I do not think so. Consider that this reclaim races with other
> >>> reclaimers. Now you are reclaiming a large chunk so you might end up
> >>> reclaiming more than necessary. SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX would reduce the over
> >>> reclaim to be negligible.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did consider this. And I think, I already explained that sort of race in previous email.
> >> Whether "Task B" is really a task in cgroup or it's actually a bunch of reclaimers,
> >> doesn't matter. That doesn't change anything.
> > 
> > I would _really_ prefer two patches here. The first one removing the
> > hard coded reclaim count. That thing is just dubious at best. If you
> > _really_ think that the higher reclaim target is meaningfull then make
> > it a separate patch. I am not conviced but I will not nack it it either.
> > But it will make our life much easier if my over reclaim concern is
> > right and we will need to revert it. Conceptually those two changes are
> > independent anywa.
> > 
> 
> Ok, fair point. But what about livelock than? Don't you think that we should
> go back to something like in V1 patch to prevent it?

I am not sure what do you mean by the livelock here.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-15 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-20 10:24 [PATCH 1/2] mm/memcg: try harder to decrease [memory,memsw].limit_in_bytes Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 10:24 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 10:24 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/memcg: Consolidate mem_cgroup_resize_[memsw]_limit() functions Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 10:24   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 10:33 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/memcg: try harder to decrease [memory,memsw].limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2017-12-20 10:33   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-20 11:32   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 11:32     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 11:34     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-20 11:34       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-20 18:15       ` Shakeel Butt
2017-12-20 18:15         ` Shakeel Butt
2017-12-21 10:00         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-21 10:00           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-21 10:00           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 13:21 ` [PATCH v2 " Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 13:21   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 13:21   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mm/memcg: Consolidate mem_cgroup_resize_[memsw]_limit() functions Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 13:21     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2017-12-20 13:53   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm/memcg: try harder to decrease [memory,memsw].limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2017-12-20 13:53     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-09 16:58     ` [PATCH v3 " Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 16:58       ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 16:58       ` [PATCH v3 2/2] mm/memcg: Consolidate mem_cgroup_resize_[memsw]_limit() functions Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 16:58         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 17:10         ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-09 17:10           ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-09 17:10           ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-09 17:26           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 17:26             ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 23:26             ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-09 23:26               ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-10 12:43               ` [PATCH v4] mm/memcg: try harder to decrease [memory,memsw].limit_in_bytes Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-10 12:43                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-10 12:43                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-10 22:31                 ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-10 22:31                   ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-11 11:59                   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 11:59                     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-12  0:21                     ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-12  0:21                       ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-12  0:21                       ` Andrew Morton
2018-01-12  9:08                       ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-12  9:08                         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 10:42                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 10:42                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 10:42                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 12:21                   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 12:21                     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 12:21                     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 12:46                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 12:46                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 15:23                       ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 15:23                         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 15:23                         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 16:29                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 16:29                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 16:29                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-11 21:59                           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 21:59                             ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-11 21:59                             ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-12 12:24                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-12 12:24                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-12 22:57                               ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-12 22:57                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-12 22:57                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-15 12:29                                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-15 12:29                                   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-15 17:04                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-15 17:04                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-15 17:04                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-15 12:30                               ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-15 12:30                                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-15 12:46                                 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2018-01-15 12:46                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-15 12:53                                   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-15 12:53                                     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-15 12:58                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-15 12:58                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-09 17:08       ` [PATCH v3 1/2] " Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 17:08         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 17:08         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-09 17:22       ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-09 17:22         ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-19 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] mm/memcontrol.c: " Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-19 13:25   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-19 13:25   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-19 13:25   ` [PATCH v5 2/2] mm/memcontrol.c: Reduce reclaim retries in mem_cgroup_resize_limit() Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-19 13:25     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-19 13:35     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 13:35       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 14:49       ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-19 14:49         ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-19 14:49         ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-19 15:11         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 15:11           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 15:11           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 15:24           ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-19 15:24             ` Shakeel Butt
2018-01-19 15:31             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 15:31               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 15:31               ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-21 20:17           ` Andrew Morton
2018-02-21 20:17             ` Andrew Morton
2018-02-22 13:50             ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 13:50               ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 14:09               ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-22 14:09                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-22 15:13                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 15:13                   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 15:33                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-22 15:33                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-22 15:38                     ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 15:38                       ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 15:44                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-22 15:44                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-22 16:01                         ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 16:01                           ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-02-22 16:30                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-02-22 16:30                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 13:32   ` [PATCH v5 1/2] mm/memcontrol.c: try harder to decrease [memory,memsw].limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 13:32     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-19 13:32     ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-25 19:44   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-01-25 19:44     ` Andrey Ryabinin

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