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From: Anthony PERARD <anthony.perard@citrix.com>
To: Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	"Ian Jackson" <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	"Alexey G" <x1917x@gmail.com>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/12] libxl: Q35 support (new option device_model_machine)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:03:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180321170304.GD2109@perard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180321162743.trhk4f6olbbxoeaq@citrix.com>

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 04:27:43PM +0000, Wei Liu wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 09:11:10AM +0000, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 08:11:49AM +1000, Alexey G wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 17:01:18 +0000
> > > Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@citrix.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 04:33:53AM +1000, Alexey Gerasimenko wrote:
> > > >> Provide a new domain config option to select the emulated machine
> > > >> type, device_model_machine. It has following possible values:
> > > >> - "i440" - i440 emulation (default)
> > > >> - "q35" - emulate a Q35 machine. By default, the storage interface
> > > >> is AHCI.  
> > > >
> > > >I would rather name this machine_chipset or device_model_chipset.
> > > 
> > > device_model_ prefix is a must I think -- multiple device model related
> > > options have names starting with device_model_.
> > > 
> > > device_model_chipset... well, maybe, but we're actually specifying a
> > > QEMU machine here. In QEMU mailing list there was even a suggestion
> > > to allow to pass a machine version number here, like "pc-q35-2.10".
> > > I think some opinions are needed here.
> > 
> > I'm not sure what a 'machine' is in QEMU speak, but in my mind I would
> > consider PC a machine (vs ARM for example).
> > 
> > I think 'chipset' is clearer, but again others should express their
> > opinion.
> 
> AIUI machine is a collection of chipset and peripherals, i.e. it covers
> more than the chipset alone.

The description of the QEMU machine "q35" is
"Standard PC (Q35 + ICH9, 2009)". So right in the description, Q35 is
not enought to describe what -machine=q35 is about. And FYI "pc" or
"pc_piix" description is "Standard PC (i440FX + PIIX, 1996)".

Also, we could expand the option to actually allow a user to select the
exact version of the QEMU machine to use. Having "pc-i440fx-2.12" in
the xl config file instead of just "pc" could prevent compatibility
issue for an existing virtual machine.

I don't know what a chipset is when related to QEMU, beside being a
piece of silicon in hardware. I think a QEMU machine is closer to a
motherboard than just a chipset. Feel free to read
"qemu.git/hw/i386/pc_piix.c" and "qemu.git/hw/i386/pc_q35.c"
to read the difference between both machine.

Anyway, I think "device_model_machine" is better that ".._chipset".
"machine" better describe the change involve when selecting q35.

-- 
Anthony PERARD

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Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-12 18:33 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 00/30] Xen Q35 Bringup patches + support for PCIe Extended Capabilities for passed through devices Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:33 ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] libacpi: new DSDT ACPI table for Q35 Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 19:38   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-03-12 20:10     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 20:32       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-03-12 21:19         ` Alexey G
2018-03-13  2:41           ` Tian, Kevin
2018-03-19 12:43   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 13:57     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] Makefile: build and use new DSDT " Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-19 12:46   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 14:18     ` Alexey G
2018-03-19 13:07   ` Jan Beulich
2018-03-19 14:10     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] hvmloader: add function to query an emulated machine type (i440/Q35) Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-13 17:26   ` Wei Liu
2018-03-13 17:58     ` Alexey G
2018-03-13 18:04       ` Wei Liu
2018-03-19 12:56   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 16:26     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] hvmloader: add ACPI enabling for Q35 Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-13 17:26   ` Wei Liu
2018-03-19 13:01   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 23:59     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] hvmloader: add Q35 DSDT table loading Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-19 14:45   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-20  0:15     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] hvmloader: add basic Q35 support Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-19 15:30   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 23:44     ` Alexey G
2018-03-20  9:20       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-20 21:23         ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] hvmloader: allocate MMCONFIG area in the MMIO hole + minor code refactoring Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-19 15:58   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 19:49     ` Alexey G
2018-03-20  8:50       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-20  9:25         ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-21  0:58         ` Alexey G
2018-03-21  9:09           ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-21  9:36             ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-21 14:35               ` Alexey G
2018-03-21 14:58                 ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-21 14:25             ` Alexey G
2018-03-21 14:54               ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-21 17:41                 ` Alexey G
2018-03-21 15:20               ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-21 16:56                 ` Alexey G
2018-03-21 17:06                   ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-22  0:31                     ` Alexey G
2018-03-22  9:04                       ` Jan Beulich
2018-03-22  9:55                         ` Alexey G
2018-03-22 10:06                           ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-22 11:56                             ` Alexey G
2018-03-22 12:09                               ` Jan Beulich
2018-03-22 13:05                                 ` Alexey G
2018-03-22 13:20                                   ` Jan Beulich
2018-03-22 14:34                                     ` Alexey G
2018-03-22 14:42                                       ` Jan Beulich
2018-03-22 15:08                                         ` Alexey G
2018-03-23 13:57                                           ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-23 22:32                                             ` Alexey G
2018-03-26  9:24                                               ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-26 19:42                                                 ` Alexey G
2018-03-27  8:45                                                   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-27 15:37                                                     ` Alexey G
2018-03-28  9:30                                                       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-28 11:42                                                         ` Alexey G
2018-03-28 12:05                                                           ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-28 10:03                                                       ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-28 14:14                                                         ` Alexey G
2018-03-21 17:15                   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-21 22:49                     ` Alexey G
2018-03-22  9:29                       ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-22 10:05                         ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-22 10:09                           ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-22 11:36                             ` Alexey G
2018-03-22 10:50                         ` Alexey G
2018-03-22  9:57                       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-22 12:29                         ` Alexey G
2018-03-22 12:44                           ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-22 15:31                             ` Alexey G
2018-03-23 10:29                               ` Paul Durrant
2018-03-23 11:38                                 ` Jan Beulich
2018-03-23 13:52                                   ` Paul Durrant
2018-05-29 14:23   ` Jan Beulich
2018-05-29 17:56     ` Alexey G
2018-05-29 18:47       ` Alexey G
2018-05-30  4:32         ` Alexey G
2018-05-30  8:13           ` Jan Beulich
2018-05-31  4:25             ` Alexey G
2018-05-30  8:12         ` Jan Beulich
2018-05-31  5:15           ` Alexey G
2018-06-01  5:30             ` Jan Beulich
2018-06-01 15:53               ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] libxl: Q35 support (new option device_model_machine) Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-13 17:25   ` Wei Liu
2018-03-13 17:32     ` Anthony PERARD
2018-03-19 17:01   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 22:11     ` Alexey G
2018-03-20  9:11       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-21 16:27         ` Wei Liu
2018-03-21 17:03           ` Anthony PERARD [this message]
2018-03-21 16:25       ` Wei Liu
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] libxl: Xen Platform device support for Q35 Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-19 15:05   ` Alexey G
2018-03-21 16:32     ` Wei Liu
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] libacpi: build ACPI MCFG table if requested Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-19 17:33   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 21:46     ` Alexey G
2018-03-20  9:03       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-20 21:06         ` Alexey G
2018-05-29 14:36   ` Jan Beulich
2018-05-29 18:20     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] hvmloader: use libacpi to build MCFG table Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-14 17:48   ` Alexey G
2018-03-19 17:49   ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-19 21:20     ` Alexey G
2018-03-20  8:58       ` Roger Pau Monné
2018-03-20  9:36       ` Jan Beulich
2018-03-20 20:53         ` Alexey G
2018-03-21  7:36           ` Jan Beulich
2018-05-29 14:46   ` Jan Beulich
2018-05-29 17:26     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] docs: provide description for device_model_machine option Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 13/30] pc/xen: Xen Q35 support: provide IRQ handling for PCI devices Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:33   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-14 10:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-03-14 11:28     ` Alexey G
2018-03-14 11:28       ` Alexey G
2018-03-14 10:48   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-03-12 18:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 14/30] pc/q35: Apply PCI bus BSEL property for Xen PCI device hotplug Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:33   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 15/30] q35/acpi/xen: Provide ACPI PCI hotplug interface for Xen on Q35 Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 16/30] q35/xen: Add Xen platform device support for Q35 Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 19:44   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-12 20:56     ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 20:56       ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 21:44       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-12 21:44       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-13 23:49         ` Alexey G
2018-03-13 23:49           ` Alexey G
2018-03-12 19:44   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-13  9:24   ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-13  9:24     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [RFC PATCH 17/30] q35: Fix incorrect values for PCIEXBAR masks Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 18/30] xen/pt: XenHostPCIDevice: provide functions for PCI Capabilities and PCIe Extended Capabilities enumeration Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 19/30] xen/pt: avoid reading PCIe device type and cap version multiple times Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 20/30] xen/pt: determine the legacy/PCIe mode for a passed through device Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 21/30] xen/pt: Xen PCIe passthrough support for Q35: bypass PCIe topology check Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 22/30] xen/pt: add support for PCIe Extended Capabilities and larger config space Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 23/30] xen/pt: handle PCIe Extended Capabilities Next register Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 24/30] xen/pt: allow to hide PCIe Extended Capabilities Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 25/30] xen/pt: add Vendor-specific PCIe Extended Capability descriptor and sizing Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 26/30] xen/pt: add fixed-size PCIe Extended Capabilities descriptors Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 27/30] xen/pt: add AER PCIe Extended Capability descriptor and sizing Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 28/30] xen/pt: add descriptors and size calculation for RCLD/ACS/PMUX/DPA/MCAST/TPH/DPC PCIe Extended Capabilities Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 29/30] xen/pt: add Resizable BAR PCIe Extended Capability descriptor and sizing Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 30/30] xen/pt: add VC/VC9/MFVC PCIe Extended Capabilities descriptors " Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-12 18:34   ` Alexey Gerasimenko
2018-03-13  9:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 00/30] Xen Q35 Bringup patches + support for PCIe Extended Capabilities for passed through devices Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-13  9:21   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-13 11:37   ` Alexey G
2018-03-13 11:37     ` Alexey G
2018-03-13 11:44     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-13 11:44     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-03-16 17:34 ` Alexey G
2018-03-16 18:26   ` Stefano Stabellini
2018-03-16 18:36   ` Roger Pau Monné

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