From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:50:47 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20180715145047.GA6179@thunk.org> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20180715085403.GA21992@kroah.com> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 10:54:03AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > Pavel, I "love" how you fail to point out that you are responding to a 2 > month old thread :( And apologies for releasing some ancient messages that were caught in the ksummit-discuss's moderation queue. I hadn't been paying attention to the fact that there had been some messages caught there, and I figured it might be some people on the ksummit-discuss list who might have missed the context of that old thread. That being said, it *was* beaten to death two months ago, so people who are replying might want to keep that in mind. :-) > And as always, you have a choice: > - if you don't like stable kernels, don't run them. And if you don't like stable kernels, you can pay $$$ to an enterprise distro kernel. Although you might find they aren't that much better at the whole fixing bugs versus introducing regressions tradeoff. Indeed, because there are crazy people who insist on using 3.18 kernels *and* getting support for the latest hardware, you may find that it's somewhat worse; not to mention not necessarily being able to get all of the fixes for the cache-related security problems getting found... - Ted
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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Sasha Levin <Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com>, "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, "julia.lawall@lip6.fr" <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>, "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: bug-introducing patches Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:50:47 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20180715145047.GA6179@thunk.org> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20180715085403.GA21992@kroah.com> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 10:54:03AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > Pavel, I "love" how you fail to point out that you are responding to a 2 > month old thread :( And apologies for releasing some ancient messages that were caught in the ksummit-discuss's moderation queue. I hadn't been paying attention to the fact that there had been some messages caught there, and I figured it might be some people on the ksummit-discuss list who might have missed the context of that old thread. That being said, it *was* beaten to death two months ago, so people who are replying might want to keep that in mind. :-) > And as always, you have a choice: > - if you don't like stable kernels, don't run them. And if you don't like stable kernels, you can pay $$$ to an enterprise distro kernel. Although you might find they aren't that much better at the whole fixing bugs versus introducing regressions tradeoff. Indeed, because there are crazy people who insist on using 3.18 kernels *and* getting support for the latest hardware, you may find that it's somewhat worse; not to mention not necessarily being able to get all of the fixes for the cache-related security problems getting found... - Ted
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