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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:50:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180715145047.GA6179@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180715085403.GA21992@kroah.com>

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 10:54:03AM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> Pavel, I "love" how you fail to point out that you are responding to a 2
> month old thread :(

And apologies for releasing some ancient messages that were caught in
the ksummit-discuss's moderation queue.  I hadn't been paying
attention to the fact that there had been some messages caught there,
and I figured it might be some people on the ksummit-discuss list who
might have missed the context of that old thread.

That being said, it *was* beaten to death two months ago, so people
who are replying might want to keep that in mind.  :-)

> And as always, you have a choice:
> 	- if you don't like stable kernels, don't run them.

And if you don't like stable kernels, you can pay $$$ to an enterprise
distro kernel.  Although you might find they aren't that much better
at the whole fixing bugs versus introducing regressions tradeoff.
Indeed, because there are crazy people who insist on using 3.18
kernels *and* getting support for the latest hardware, you may find
that it's somewhat worse; not to mention not necessarily being able to
get all of the fixes for the cache-related security problems getting
found...

						- Ted

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	Sasha Levin <Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" 
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	"julia.lawall@lip6.fr" <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: bug-introducing patches
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:50:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180715145047.GA6179@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180715085403.GA21992@kroah.com>

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 10:54:03AM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> Pavel, I "love" how you fail to point out that you are responding to a 2
> month old thread :(

And apologies for releasing some ancient messages that were caught in
the ksummit-discuss's moderation queue.  I hadn't been paying
attention to the fact that there had been some messages caught there,
and I figured it might be some people on the ksummit-discuss list who
might have missed the context of that old thread.

That being said, it *was* beaten to death two months ago, so people
who are replying might want to keep that in mind.  :-)

> And as always, you have a choice:
> 	- if you don't like stable kernels, don't run them.

And if you don't like stable kernels, you can pay $$$ to an enterprise
distro kernel.  Although you might find they aren't that much better
at the whole fixing bugs versus introducing regressions tradeoff.
Indeed, because there are crazy people who insist on using 3.18
kernels *and* getting support for the latest hardware, you may find
that it's somewhat worse; not to mention not necessarily being able to
get all of the fixes for the cache-related security problems getting
found...

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-15 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 289+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-01 16:38 bug-introducing patches Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 16:38 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 19:44 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 19:44   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 20:00   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:00     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:33     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-01 20:48       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Willy Tarreau
2018-05-01 20:42       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:42         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:54     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 20:54       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 21:15       ` Mark Brown
2018-05-01 21:15         ` Mark Brown
2018-05-02  8:11         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-02  8:11           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-02 19:46           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 19:46             ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03  2:05             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-03  2:05               ` Mark Brown via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03  3:10               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  3:10                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  3:52                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03  3:52                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 12:03                   ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 12:03                     ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 22:42                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-03 22:42                     ` Mark Brown
2018-05-03 23:09                     ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-03 23:09                       ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-04 14:21                       ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-04 14:21                         ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-09  8:44                         ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  8:44                           ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  8:47                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-09  8:47                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-09  8:51                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-09  8:51                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-09  9:03                             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  9:03                               ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 10:47                               ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 10:47                                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 10:55                                 ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-09 10:55                                   ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-09 12:43                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 12:43                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 12:47                                     ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-09 12:47                                       ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-15 10:42                                     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2018-05-15 10:42                                       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2018-05-15 11:54                                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-15 11:54                                         ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 14:05                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 14:05                                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 22:09                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 22:09                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10 13:36                                     ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 13:36                                       ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 22:01                                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10 22:01                                         ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 15:57                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-09 15:57                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-09 21:45                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:45                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 16:04                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-05-09 16:04                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-05-09 16:04                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-05-09 21:51                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:51                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:51                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 19:35                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-09 19:35                                   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-09 21:58                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:58                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10  3:15                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-10  3:15                                   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-10 15:57                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-10 15:57                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-10 22:05                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10 22:05                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-11  8:47                                 ` David Sterba
2018-05-11  8:49                                   ` David Sterba
2018-05-12  4:03                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12  4:03                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12  4:38                                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12  4:38                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12 18:34                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-13 13:53                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-05-13 13:53                                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-05-14  8:36                                 ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-14  8:36                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-14 21:45                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-14 21:45                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-17  5:10                                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-17  5:10                                     ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 16:03                             ` Jiri Kosina
2018-05-10 16:03                               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-05-10 16:47                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-10 16:47                                 ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-14  7:53                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  7:53                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:00                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:00                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:12                                     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:12                                       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:29                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:29                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:34                                         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:34                                           ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:40                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:40                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:48                                             ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:48                                               ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  9:25                                               ` Fengguang Wu
2018-05-14  9:25                                                 ` Fengguang Wu
2018-05-11  2:10                               ` Mark Brown
2018-05-11  2:10                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-05-08  2:34                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08  2:34                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08  3:48                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-08  3:48                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-08 14:49                           ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-09  8:13                             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  8:13                               ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 15:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-10 15:36                               ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-08 20:29                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 20:29                             ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-08 20:40                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-08 20:40                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-08 20:55                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 20:55                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 20:59                                 ` David Lang
2018-05-08 21:06                                   ` David Lang
2018-05-08 21:43                                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 21:43                                     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-08 21:51                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-05-08 21:51                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-05-08 22:41                                     ` James Bottomley
2018-05-08 22:41                                       ` James Bottomley
2018-05-08 21:26                                 ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08 21:26                                   ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08 21:00                             ` Ken Moffat
2018-05-08 21:08                               ` Ken Moffat
2018-05-08 22:15                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-10 16:39                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-09  4:47                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-09  4:47                               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-08 13:58                         ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08 13:58                           ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08  2:39                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08  2:39                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-01 22:02       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 22:02         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-02  4:30         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-02  4:30           ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Willy Tarreau
2018-05-02 19:42           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 19:42             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 20:02             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-02 20:02               ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Willy Tarreau
2018-07-14 17:38               ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 17:38                 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 18:37                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 18:37                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 19:47                   ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 19:47                     ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 20:40                     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 20:40                       ` Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 21:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 21:09                         ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-15  5:57                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-07-15  5:57                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-07-15  8:54                 ` Greg KH
2018-07-15  8:54                   ` Greg KH
2018-07-15 14:50                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2018-07-15 14:50                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-15 20:15                   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Pavel Machek
2018-07-15 20:15                     ` Pavel Machek
2018-05-03 11:08       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jani Nikula
2018-05-03 11:08         ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-03 14:33         ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 14:33           ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 14:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 14:49             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:06             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:06               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 15:27               ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:27                 ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:43                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:43                   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 17:17                   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-03 17:17                     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-03 17:39                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 17:39                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 18:10                   ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 18:10                     ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:56                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:57                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 18:58         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03 18:58           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 23:28     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-01 23:10 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-02 15:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 15:32   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 19:51   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 19:51     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-02 20:41     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 20:41       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-03  0:06       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  0:06         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  0:38         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03  0:38           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03  2:30           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03  2:30             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 14:55           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 14:55             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:49             ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 15:49               ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 16:02               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 16:02                 ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 16:50                 ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-03 16:50                   ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-03 17:09                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 17:09                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 11:48         ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 14:46         ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 14:46           ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 14:52           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 14:52             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:01             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:01               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 16:00               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:01                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:14                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 16:15                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 16:35                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:35                     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 17:29                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 17:29                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 17:57                       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 17:57                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 18:12                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 18:12                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 18:46                           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 18:46                             ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 19:03                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 19:03                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:54           ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 16:54             ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 17:34             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 17:34               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 18:20               ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 18:20                 ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 18:55                 ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 18:55                   ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 19:14                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 19:14                     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 19:17                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 19:17                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 19:04                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 19:04                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04  9:57                 ` David Howells
2018-05-04  9:57                   ` David Howells
2018-05-04 12:31                   ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-04 12:31                     ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-04 13:09                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 13:09                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 17:40                       ` Greg KH
2018-05-04 17:40                         ` Greg KH
2018-05-04 21:13                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 21:13                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 21:38                           ` James Bottomley
2018-05-04 21:38                             ` James Bottomley
2018-05-04 21:51                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04 21:51                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04 23:35                               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 23:35                                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-05  4:23                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-05  4:24                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-05  5:02                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-05-05  5:02                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-05-05 16:37                                     ` Greg KH
2018-05-05 16:37                                       ` Greg KH
2018-05-05  5:27                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-05  5:27                                   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 11:43       ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 11:43         ` Al Viro
2018-05-02 15:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 15:32   ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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