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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Sasha Levin <Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"w@1wt.eu" <w@1wt.eu>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches
Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 17:32:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdW7dzsfwBr3fAZADA9NK4osuHqMDvXvN+MrV4u098vbAw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm>

Hi Sasha,

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Sasha Levin
<Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Working on AUTOSEL, it became even more obvious to me how difficult it is for a
> patch to get a proper review. Maintainers found it difficult to keep up with
> the upstream work for their subsystem, and reviewing additional -stable patches
> put even more load on them which some suggested would be more than what they
> can handle.

Thanks for your work!

>  - For some reason, the odds of a -rc commit to be targetted for -stable is
>    over 20%, while for merge window commits it's about 3%. I can't quite
> explain why that happens, but this would suggest that -rc commits end up
> hurting -stable pretty badly.

Aren't more -rc commits targeted for -stable because they are bugfixes?
Ideally, new features are supposed to be merged during the merge window,
while -rc commits fix bugs.

So they can be categorized like:
  1. Plain -rc commits,
  2. -rc commits fixing a bug:
       a. in the same release cycle,
       b. in a previous release.

2a assumes the bug was backported to -stable, too, doesn't it?

Do you have statistics for which categories are most buggy?

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

-- 
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Sasha Levin <Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"w@1wt.eu" <w@1wt.eu>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches
Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 17:32:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdW7dzsfwBr3fAZADA9NK4osuHqMDvXvN+MrV4u098vbAw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm>

Hi Sasha,

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Sasha Levin
<Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Working on AUTOSEL, it became even more obvious to me how difficult it is for a
> patch to get a proper review. Maintainers found it difficult to keep up with
> the upstream work for their subsystem, and reviewing additional -stable patches
> put even more load on them which some suggested would be more than what they
> can handle.

Thanks for your work!

>  - For some reason, the odds of a -rc commit to be targetted for -stable is
>    over 20%, while for merge window commits it's about 3%. I can't quite
> explain why that happens, but this would suggest that -rc commits end up
> hurting -stable pretty badly.

Aren't more -rc commits targeted for -stable because they are bugfixes?
Ideally, new features are supposed to be merged during the merge window,
while -rc commits fix bugs.

So they can be categorized like:
  1. Plain -rc commits,
  2. -rc commits fixing a bug:
       a. in the same release cycle,
       b. in a previous release.

2a assumes the bug was backported to -stable, too, doesn't it?

Do you have statistics for which categories are most buggy?

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

-- 
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-02 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 289+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-01 16:38 bug-introducing patches Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 16:38 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 19:44 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 19:44   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 20:00   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:00     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:33     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-01 20:48       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Willy Tarreau
2018-05-01 20:42       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:42         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 20:54     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 20:54       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 21:15       ` Mark Brown
2018-05-01 21:15         ` Mark Brown
2018-05-02  8:11         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-02  8:11           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-02 19:46           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 19:46             ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03  2:05             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-03  2:05               ` Mark Brown via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03  3:10               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  3:10                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  3:52                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03  3:52                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 12:03                   ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 12:03                     ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 22:42                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-03 22:42                     ` Mark Brown
2018-05-03 23:09                     ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-03 23:09                       ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-04 14:21                       ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-04 14:21                         ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-09  8:44                         ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  8:44                           ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  8:47                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-09  8:47                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-05-09  8:51                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-09  8:51                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-09  9:03                             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  9:03                               ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 10:47                               ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 10:47                                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 10:55                                 ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-09 10:55                                   ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-09 12:43                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 12:43                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 12:47                                     ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-09 12:47                                       ` Vinod Koul
2018-05-15 10:42                                     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2018-05-15 10:42                                       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2018-05-15 11:54                                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-15 11:54                                         ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 14:05                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 14:05                                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09 22:09                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 22:09                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10 13:36                                     ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 13:36                                       ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 22:01                                       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10 22:01                                         ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 15:57                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-09 15:57                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-09 21:45                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:45                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 16:04                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-05-09 16:04                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-05-09 16:04                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-05-09 21:51                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:51                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:51                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 19:35                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-09 19:35                                   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-09 21:58                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-09 21:58                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10  3:15                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-10  3:15                                   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-10 15:57                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-10 15:57                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-10 22:05                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-10 22:05                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-11  8:47                                 ` David Sterba
2018-05-11  8:49                                   ` David Sterba
2018-05-12  4:03                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12  4:03                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12  4:38                                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12  4:38                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-12 18:34                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-13 13:53                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-05-13 13:53                                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2018-05-14  8:36                                 ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-14  8:36                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2018-05-14 21:45                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-14 21:45                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-17  5:10                                   ` Mark Brown
2018-05-17  5:10                                     ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 16:03                             ` Jiri Kosina
2018-05-10 16:03                               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-05-10 16:47                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-10 16:47                                 ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-14  7:53                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  7:53                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:00                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:00                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:12                                     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:12                                       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:29                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:29                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:34                                         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:34                                           ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:40                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:40                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-14  8:48                                             ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  8:48                                               ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-14  9:25                                               ` Fengguang Wu
2018-05-14  9:25                                                 ` Fengguang Wu
2018-05-11  2:10                               ` Mark Brown
2018-05-11  2:10                                 ` Mark Brown
2018-05-08  2:34                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08  2:34                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08  3:48                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-08  3:48                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-08 14:49                           ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-09  8:13                             ` Mark Brown
2018-05-09  8:13                               ` Mark Brown
2018-05-10 15:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-10 15:36                               ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-08 20:29                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 20:29                             ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-08 20:40                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-08 20:40                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-08 20:55                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 20:55                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 20:59                                 ` David Lang
2018-05-08 21:06                                   ` David Lang
2018-05-08 21:43                                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08 21:43                                     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-08 21:51                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-05-08 21:51                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-05-08 22:41                                     ` James Bottomley
2018-05-08 22:41                                       ` James Bottomley
2018-05-08 21:26                                 ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08 21:26                                   ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08 21:00                             ` Ken Moffat
2018-05-08 21:08                               ` Ken Moffat
2018-05-08 22:15                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-10 16:39                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-09  4:47                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-09  4:47                               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-08 13:58                         ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08 13:58                           ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-08  2:39                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-08  2:39                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-01 22:02       ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-01 22:02         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Sasha Levin
2018-05-02  4:30         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-02  4:30           ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Willy Tarreau
2018-05-02 19:42           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 19:42             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 20:02             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-02 20:02               ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Willy Tarreau
2018-07-14 17:38               ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 17:38                 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 18:37                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 18:37                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 19:47                   ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 19:47                     ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 20:40                     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 20:40                       ` Guenter Roeck
2018-07-14 21:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-14 21:09                         ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-15  5:57                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-07-15  5:57                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-07-15  8:54                 ` Greg KH
2018-07-15  8:54                   ` Greg KH
2018-07-15 14:50                   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-15 14:50                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-15 20:15                   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Pavel Machek
2018-07-15 20:15                     ` Pavel Machek
2018-05-03 11:08       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jani Nikula
2018-05-03 11:08         ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-03 14:33         ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 14:33           ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 14:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 14:49             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:06             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:06               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 15:27               ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:27                 ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:43                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:43                   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 17:17                   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-03 17:17                     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-03 17:39                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 17:39                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 18:10                   ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 18:10                     ` James Bottomley
2018-05-03 15:56                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:57                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 18:58         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03 18:58           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 23:28     ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-01 23:10 ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-05-02 15:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 15:32   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 19:51   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-02 19:51     ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-02 20:41     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 20:41       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-03  0:06       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  0:06         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-03  0:38         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03  0:38           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03  2:30           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03  2:30             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 14:55           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 14:55             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:49             ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 15:49               ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 16:02               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 16:02                 ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 16:50                 ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-03 16:50                   ` Justin Forbes
2018-05-03 17:09                 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 17:09                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 11:48         ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 14:46         ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 14:46           ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 14:52           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 14:52             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 15:01             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 15:01               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 16:00               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:01                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:14                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 16:15                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 16:35                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:35                     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 17:29                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 17:29                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 17:57                       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 17:57                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 18:12                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 18:12                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 18:46                           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 18:46                             ` Guenter Roeck
2018-05-03 19:03                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 19:03                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 16:54           ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 16:54             ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 17:34             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 17:34               ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 18:20               ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 18:20                 ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 18:55                 ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 18:55                   ` Greg KH
2018-05-03 19:14                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 19:14                     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-03 19:17                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 19:17                       ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 19:04                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-03 19:04                   ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04  9:57                 ` David Howells
2018-05-04  9:57                   ` David Howells
2018-05-04 12:31                   ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-04 12:31                     ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-04 13:09                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 13:09                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 17:40                       ` Greg KH
2018-05-04 17:40                         ` Greg KH
2018-05-04 21:13                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 21:13                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 21:38                           ` James Bottomley
2018-05-04 21:38                             ` James Bottomley
2018-05-04 21:51                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04 21:51                               ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-04 23:35                               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-04 23:35                                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-05  4:23                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-05  4:24                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-05-05  5:02                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-05-05  5:02                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-05-05 16:37                                     ` Greg KH
2018-05-05 16:37                                       ` Greg KH
2018-05-05  5:27                                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-05-05  5:27                                   ` Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss
2018-05-03 11:43       ` Al Viro
2018-05-03 11:43         ` Al Viro
2018-05-02 15:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2018-05-02 15:32   ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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