From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Christoph Conrads <contact@christoph-conrads.name>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Edward Cree <ec429@cantab.net>,
Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 18:30:31 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180925223031.GA20619@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180925151406.GB2933@thunk.org>
Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>:
> There have been those who have characterized the GPL as being more
> than just a license, but also a political statement. And yet, many
> projects, include Linus, use the GPL without necessarily subscribing
> to all of Richard Stallman's positions, political or otherwise.
The case isn't parallel. Every kernel dev knew they were joining a
commons defined by GPL terms when they signed on. Regulation of
soi-disant "hateful" speech and "diversity" objectives, on the other
hand, are a *new* set of claims and norms not entailed in established
practice.
There ought to be much broader consensus before anything like that is done -
and I would say that even about new political claims I myself supported.
Instead, what we have is open revolt from a dissident faction that thinks
the project would be better destroyed than under the CoC.
That should be a clue that imposing the CoC without a lot of public
discussion and preparation was a mistake, and it should be revereted until
at least rough consensus in fovor of some improvement on the old
Code is achieved.
--
<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-09-25 22:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-19 6:00 Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it Edward Cree
2018-09-19 14:18 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-09-19 23:35 ` Edward Cree
2018-09-20 1:16 ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-20 2:14 ` Edward Cree
2018-09-21 1:48 ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-21 2:16 ` unixing
2018-09-21 13:07 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2018-09-21 16:34 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-21 23:15 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-21 23:20 ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-21 23:31 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-21 23:59 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-24 18:59 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 19:45 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-25 2:24 ` gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-25 17:14 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26 0:41 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-26 19:34 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26 20:55 ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-28 18:34 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-28 15:56 ` Alan Cox
2018-09-28 19:38 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-29 12:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-29 12:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-22 0:05 ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-22 0:24 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-24 17:43 ` Max Filippov
2018-09-24 18:07 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-23 18:44 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 23:48 ` Michael Woods
2018-09-24 17:25 ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-25 11:28 ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-25 12:36 ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 13:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-25 13:41 ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 17:38 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 13:28 ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-26 10:24 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-25 15:14 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-25 22:30 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2018-09-26 11:17 ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-20 3:07 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-20 4:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-09-20 9:27 ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20 22:57 ` Edward Cree
2018-09-23 14:50 ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-23 18:41 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 17:21 ` unconditionedwitness
[not found] ` <c61eb2d545150d46428f4bc25843cd58@redchan.it>
[not found] ` <201809241941.44460.dr.klepp@gmx.at>
[not found] ` <20180924204809.GK23968@linuxmafia.com>
2018-09-25 2:09 ` [DNG] Fwd: " gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-20 9:29 ` unconditionedwitness
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-20 21:18 Christoph Conrads
2018-09-21 8:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-21 11:36 ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-17 11:48 Lukas Wunner
2018-09-17 12:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-18 19:16 ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-19 10:30 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-18 20:16 ` Lukas Wunner
[not found] ` <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de>
2018-09-20 10:57 ` Lukas Wunner
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