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From: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward@gmail.com>
To: Joey Pabalinas <joeypabalinas@gmail.com>,
	"\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward@gmail.com>,
	Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at>,
	"jonsmirl@gmail.com" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	fche@redhat.com, riel@surriel.com, ec429@cantab.net,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:34:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMjeLr8fQbD1akKBYLO3Me7BkF_10+XHYPT9hQG5Nekqvt_GNw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180926203355.rfmezs3lbmlcvv3x@gmail.com>

>> You did it again.  You changed words.  I said intended for the public,
>> and you ended your sentence with "intended to be published".
>>
>> Like it or not, both the law and English grammar have ambiguities.
>> People put up with them because they share a common intuition (in a
>> lot of cases) of what each other means.
>>
>> If you share a birthday card with your personal love note inscribed
>> and the birthday girl sends it around to everyone at the party, have
>> you been violated?  She might argue:  how did you expect it to remain
>> private if you knew there were several people invited to the birthday
>> party?
>
> English does have oddities, agreed.  However, open source code is
> definitely intended for the public as well.

I think your wording is a bit sloppy.  As an engineer, I might publish
my designs, but do I intend them for the general public?  Only if I'm
in some kind of teacher-mode where I hope the public can learn from my
designs.  However, RMS started GNU with the idea of a COMMUNITY -- a
particular community:  one of fellow coders.

If others learn from the code by its nature as open source, that
doesn't mean the license implies that it is INTENDED for the public,
just that it was OPEN to it.  It is the same difference between
*marketing* your business and just "setting up shop" with an open
door.  Once you've marketed the business, you've created an implied
contract of "intent to deliver".

Subtle, but significant, difference.

Mark

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-28 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-19  6:00 Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it Edward Cree
2018-09-19 14:18 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-09-19 23:35   ` Edward Cree
2018-09-20  1:16     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-20  2:14       ` Edward Cree
2018-09-21  1:48         ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-21  2:16           ` unixing
2018-09-21 13:07           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2018-09-21 16:34             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-21 23:15               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-21 23:20                 ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-21 23:31                 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-21 23:59                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-24 18:59                     ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 19:45                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-25  2:24                         ` gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-25 17:14                         ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26  0:41                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-26 19:34                             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26 20:55                               ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-28 18:34                                 ` \0xDynamite [this message]
2018-09-28 15:56                             ` Alan Cox
2018-09-28 19:38                               ` jonsmirl
2018-09-29 12:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-29 12:46                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-22  0:05                   ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-22  0:24                     ` jonsmirl
2018-09-24 17:43                       ` Max Filippov
2018-09-24 18:07                         ` jonsmirl
2018-09-23 18:44                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 23:48                 ` Michael Woods
2018-09-24 17:25             ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-25 11:28         ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-25 12:36           ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 13:13             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-25 13:41               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 17:38                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 13:28             ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-26 10:24               ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-25 15:14             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-25 22:30               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-26 11:17               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-20  3:07       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-20  4:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-09-20  9:27         ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20 22:57           ` Edward Cree
2018-09-23 14:50             ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-23 18:41             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 17:21             ` unconditionedwitness
     [not found]               ` <c61eb2d545150d46428f4bc25843cd58@redchan.it>
     [not found]                 ` <201809241941.44460.dr.klepp@gmx.at>
     [not found]                   ` <20180924204809.GK23968@linuxmafia.com>
2018-09-25  2:09                     ` [DNG] Fwd: " gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-20  9:29         ` unconditionedwitness
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-20 21:18 Christoph Conrads
2018-09-21  8:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-21 11:36   ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-17 11:48 Lukas Wunner
2018-09-17 12:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-18 19:16   ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-19 10:30     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-18 20:16   ` Lukas Wunner
     [not found]     ` <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de>
2018-09-20 10:57       ` Lukas Wunner

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