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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	virtio-dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>,
	"Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Siwei Liu <loseweigh@gmail.com>,
	liran.alon@oracle.com, Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	si-wei liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: net_failover slave udev renaming (was Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:05:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190225210428-mutt-send-email-mst__46168.0453432322$1551147180$gmane$org@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190225173912.26b93422@shemminger-XPS-13-9360>

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 05:39:12PM -0800, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > >>> Moreover, you were suggesting hiding the lower slave devices anyway. There was some discussion
> > >>> about moving them to a hidden network namespace so that they are not visible from the default namespace.
> > >>> I looked into this sometime back, but did not find the right kernel api to create a network namespace within
> > >>> kernel. If so, we could use this mechanism to simulate a 1-netdev model.  
> > >> Yes, that's one possible implementation (IMHO the key is to make 1-netdev
> > >> model as much transparent to a real NIC as possible, while a hidden netns is
> > >> just the vehicle). However, I recall there was resistance around this
> > >> discussion that even the concept of hiding itself is a taboo for Linux
> > >> netdev. I would like to summon potential alternatives before concluding
> > >> 1-netdev is the only solution too soon.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> -Siwei  
> > > Your scripts would not work at all then, right?  
> > At this point we don't claim images with such usage as SR-IOV live 
> > migrate-able. We would flag it as live migrate-able until this ethtool 
> > config issue is fully addressed and a transparent live migration 
> > solution emerges in upstream eventually.
> 
> The hyper-v netvsc with 1-dev model uses a timeout to allow  udev to do its rename.
> I proposed a patch to key state change off of the udev rename, but that patch was
> rejected.

Of course that would mean nothing works without udev - was
that the objection? Could you help me find that discussion pls?

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-26  2:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-10 18:59 [RFC PATCH net-next v6 0/4] Enable virtio_net to act as a backup for a passthru device Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 1/4] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 2/4] net: Introduce generic bypass module Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-11 15:51   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11 19:13     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-11 19:13     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-11 19:13       ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18  9:25       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18  9:25       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 18:43         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 18:43         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 18:43           ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 19:13           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 19:13           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 19:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 19:46               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 20:32               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 22:46                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 22:46                   ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-19  6:35                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-19  6:35                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 22:46                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-19  4:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-19  4:08                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-19  7:22                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-19  7:22                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-19  4:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 20:32               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11 15:51   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 3/4] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 21:26   ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-04-10 22:56     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-10 22:56       ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-10 23:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-10 23:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-10 23:28       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-10 23:44       ` Siwei Liu
2018-04-10 23:44         ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-04-10 23:59         ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-04-10 23:44       ` Siwei Liu
2018-04-11  7:50       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11  7:50       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11  1:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-11  1:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-11  7:53     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11  7:53     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-02-22  1:14       ` net_failover slave udev renaming (was Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework) Siwei Liu
2019-02-22  1:14         ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2019-02-22  1:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  1:39           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  3:33           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22  3:33             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22  7:00             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2019-02-22  7:55               ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22  7:55                 ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22 12:58                 ` Rob Miller
2019-02-22 12:58                   ` Rob Miller
2019-02-22 15:14                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22 15:14                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  0:58                   ` si-wei liu
2019-02-26  0:58                     ` si-wei liu
2019-02-26  1:39                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-26  1:39                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-26  2:05                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-02-26  2:05                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  2:05                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27  0:49                         ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27  0:49                           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-26  2:08                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  2:08                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  2:08                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27  0:17                       ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27  0:17                         ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 21:57                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-27 21:57                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-27 22:30                           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 22:30                             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 22:38                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 22:38                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 22:38                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 23:34                           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 23:34                             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 23:50                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 23:50                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 23:50                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:00                               ` Liran Alon
2019-02-28  0:00                               ` Liran Alon
2019-02-28  0:03                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-28  0:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:38                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:03                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-28  0:38                               ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28  0:38                                 ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28  0:41                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:41                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:41                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:52                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  0:52                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  1:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  1:26                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  1:52                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  1:52                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  4:47                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  4:47                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  4:47                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 18:13                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 19:36                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 19:36                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 19:36                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 19:56                                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 19:56                                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 20:14                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 20:14                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 23:31                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 23:31                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-03-01  0:20                                                 ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-01  0:20                                                 ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-01  1:05                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-03-02  0:30                                                     ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-02  0:30                                                     ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-01  1:05                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 18:13                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  1:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  9:32                                   ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28  9:32                                     ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28 14:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 14:26                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01  1:30                                       ` si-wei liu
2019-03-01  1:30                                         ` si-wei liu
2019-03-01 13:27                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01 13:27                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01 13:27                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01 20:55                                           ` si-wei liu
2019-03-01 20:55                                             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28 14:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22 15:14                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  7:00             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2019-02-22  1:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  1:14       ` Siwei Liu
2018-04-10 21:26   ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework Stephen Hemminger

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