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From: Siwei Liu <loseweigh@gmail.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	virtio-dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>,
	Sridhar Samudrala <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, liran.alon@oracle.com,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	si-wei liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: net_failover slave udev renaming (was Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:14:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADGSJ214RJV_zWVBGv0Ydo=CJj6WESTYAH=PpaYLFHdtWVrm3g__4742.43065561808$1550798280$gmane$org@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180411075334.GK2028@nanopsycho>

Sorry for replying to this ancient thread. There was some remaining
issue that I don't think the initial net_failover patch got addressed
cleanly, see:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1815268

The renaming of 'eth0' to 'ens4' fails because the udev userspace was
not specifically writtten for such kernel automatic enslavement.
Specifically, if it is a bond or team, the slave would typically get
renamed *before* virtual device gets created, that's what udev can
control (without getting netdev opened early by the other part of
kernel) and other userspace components for e.g. initramfs,
init-scripts can coordinate well in between. The in-kernel
auto-enslavement of net_failover breaks this userspace convention,
which don't provides a solution if user care about consistent naming
on the slave netdevs specifically.

Previously this issue had been specifically called out when IFF_HIDDEN
and the 1-netdev was proposed, but no one gives out a solution to this
problem ever since. Please share your mind how to proceed and solve
this userspace issue if netdev does not welcome a 1-netdev model.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:53 AM Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us> wrote:
>
> Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:26:08PM CEST, stephen@networkplumber.org wrote:
> >On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 11:59:50 -0700
> >Sridhar Samudrala <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Use the registration/notification framework supported by the generic
> >> bypass infrastructure.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Sridhar Samudrala <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>
> >> ---
> >
> >Thanks for doing this.  Your current version has couple show stopper
> >issues.
> >
> >First, the slave device is instantly taking over the slave.
> >This doesn't allow udev/systemd to do its device rename of the slave
> >device. Netvsc uses a delayed work to workaround this.
>
> Wait. Why the fact a device is enslaved has to affect the udev in any
> way? If it does, smells like a bug in udev.

See above for clarifications.

Thanks,


>
>
> >
> >Secondly, the select queue needs to call queue selection in VF.
> >The bonding/teaming logic doesn't work well for UDP flows.
> >Commit b3bf5666a510 ("hv_netvsc: defer queue selection to VF")
> >fixed this performance problem.
> >
> >Lastly, more indirection is bad in current climate.
> >
> >I am not completely adverse to this but it needs to be fast, simple
> >and completely transparent.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-02-22  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-10 18:59 [RFC PATCH net-next v6 0/4] Enable virtio_net to act as a backup for a passthru device Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 1/4] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 2/4] net: Introduce generic bypass module Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-11 15:51   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11 19:13     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-11 19:13     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-11 19:13       ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18  9:25       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18  9:25       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 18:43         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 18:43         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 18:43           ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 19:13           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 19:13           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 19:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 19:46               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 20:32               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 22:46                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-18 22:46                   ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-19  6:35                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-19  6:35                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-18 22:46                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-19  4:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-19  4:08                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-19  7:22                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-19  7:22                   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-19  4:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 20:32               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11 15:51   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 3/4] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 18:59   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-10 21:26   ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-04-10 22:56     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-10 22:56       ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-10 23:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-10 23:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-10 23:28       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-10 23:44       ` Siwei Liu
2018-04-10 23:44         ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-04-10 23:59         ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-04-10 23:44       ` Siwei Liu
2018-04-11  7:50       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11  7:50       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11  1:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-11  1:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-11  7:53     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-11  7:53     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-02-22  1:14       ` net_failover slave udev renaming (was Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework) Siwei Liu
2019-02-22  1:14         ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2019-02-22  1:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  1:39           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  3:33           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22  3:33             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22  7:00             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2019-02-22  7:55               ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22  7:55                 ` si-wei liu
2019-02-22 12:58                 ` Rob Miller
2019-02-22 12:58                   ` Rob Miller
2019-02-22 15:14                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22 15:14                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  0:58                   ` si-wei liu
2019-02-26  0:58                     ` si-wei liu
2019-02-26  1:39                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-26  1:39                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-26  2:05                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  2:05                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  2:05                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27  0:49                         ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27  0:49                           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-26  2:08                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  2:08                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-26  2:08                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27  0:17                       ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27  0:17                         ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 21:57                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-27 21:57                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-27 22:30                           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 22:30                             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 22:38                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 22:38                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 22:38                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 23:34                           ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 23:34                             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-27 23:50                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 23:50                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-27 23:50                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:00                               ` Liran Alon
2019-02-28  0:00                               ` Liran Alon
2019-02-28  0:03                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-28  0:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:38                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:03                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-28  0:38                               ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28  0:38                                 ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28  0:41                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:41                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:41                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  0:52                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  0:52                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  1:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  1:26                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  1:52                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  1:52                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  4:47                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  4:47                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  4:47                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 18:13                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 19:36                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 19:36                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 19:36                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 19:56                                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 19:56                                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 20:14                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 20:14                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 23:31                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 23:31                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-03-01  0:20                                                 ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-01  0:20                                                 ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-01  1:05                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-03-02  0:30                                                     ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-02  0:30                                                     ` Siwei Liu
2019-03-01  1:05                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28 18:13                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-02-28  1:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28  9:32                                   ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28  9:32                                     ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28 14:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-28 14:26                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01  1:30                                       ` si-wei liu
2019-03-01  1:30                                         ` si-wei liu
2019-03-01 13:27                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01 13:27                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01 13:27                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-03-01 20:55                                           ` si-wei liu
2019-03-01 20:55                                             ` si-wei liu
2019-02-28 14:26                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22 15:14                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  7:00             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2019-02-22  1:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-22  1:14       ` Siwei Liu [this message]
2018-04-10 21:26   ` [RFC PATCH net-next v6 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the bypass framework Stephen Hemminger

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