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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Linux MM" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Linux ARM" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-samsung-soc <linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 20:24:41 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201003232441.GO9916@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f5130c7f-eebe-7b21-62b8-68f08212b106@nvidia.com>

On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 03:52:32PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
> On 10/3/20 2:45 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 12:39 AM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 10/2/20 10:53 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > For $reasons I've stumbled over this code and I'm not sure the change
> > > > to the new gup functions in 55a650c35fea ("mm/gup: frame_vector:
> > > > convert get_user_pages() --> pin_user_pages()") was entirely correct.
> > > > 
> > > > This here is used for long term buffers (not just quick I/O) like
> > > > RDMA, and John notes this in his patch. But I thought the rule for
> > > > these is that they need to add FOLL_LONGTERM, which John's patch
> > > > didn't do.
> > > 
> > > Yep. The earlier gup --> pup conversion patches were intended to not
> > > have any noticeable behavior changes, and FOLL_LONGTERM, with it's
> > > special cases and such, added some risk that I wasn't ready to take
> > > on yet. Also, FOLL_LONGTERM rules are only *recently* getting firmed
> > > up. So there was some doubt at least in my mind, about which sites
> > > should have it.
> > > 
> > > But now that we're here, I think it's really good that you've brought
> > > this up. It's definitely time to add FOLL_LONGTERM wherever it's missing.
> > 
> > So should I keep this patch, or will it collide with a series you're working on?
> 
> It doesn't collide with anything on my end yet, because I've been slow to
> pick up on the need for changing callsites to add FOLL_LONGTERM. :)
> 
> And it looks like that's actually a problem, because:
> 
> > 
> > Also with the firmed up rules, correct that I can also drop the
> > vma_is_fsdax check when the FOLL_LONGTERM flag is set?
> 
> That's the right direction to go *in general*, but I see that the
> pin_user_pages code is still a bit stuck in the past. And this patch
> won't actually work, with or without that vma_is_fsdax() check.
> Because:
> 
> get_vaddr_frames(FOLL_LONGTERM)
>    pin_user_pages_locked()
> 	if (WARN_ON_ONCE(gup_flags & FOLL_LONGTERM))
> 		return -EINVAL;

There is no particular reason this code needs to have the mm sem at
that point.

It should call pin_user_pages_fast() and only if that fails get the mmap
lock and extract the VMA to do broken hackery.

Jason

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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-samsung-soc <linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Linux MM" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Linux ARM" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 20:24:41 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201003232441.GO9916@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f5130c7f-eebe-7b21-62b8-68f08212b106@nvidia.com>

On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 03:52:32PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
> On 10/3/20 2:45 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 12:39 AM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 10/2/20 10:53 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > For $reasons I've stumbled over this code and I'm not sure the change
> > > > to the new gup functions in 55a650c35fea ("mm/gup: frame_vector:
> > > > convert get_user_pages() --> pin_user_pages()") was entirely correct.
> > > > 
> > > > This here is used for long term buffers (not just quick I/O) like
> > > > RDMA, and John notes this in his patch. But I thought the rule for
> > > > these is that they need to add FOLL_LONGTERM, which John's patch
> > > > didn't do.
> > > 
> > > Yep. The earlier gup --> pup conversion patches were intended to not
> > > have any noticeable behavior changes, and FOLL_LONGTERM, with it's
> > > special cases and such, added some risk that I wasn't ready to take
> > > on yet. Also, FOLL_LONGTERM rules are only *recently* getting firmed
> > > up. So there was some doubt at least in my mind, about which sites
> > > should have it.
> > > 
> > > But now that we're here, I think it's really good that you've brought
> > > this up. It's definitely time to add FOLL_LONGTERM wherever it's missing.
> > 
> > So should I keep this patch, or will it collide with a series you're working on?
> 
> It doesn't collide with anything on my end yet, because I've been slow to
> pick up on the need for changing callsites to add FOLL_LONGTERM. :)
> 
> And it looks like that's actually a problem, because:
> 
> > 
> > Also with the firmed up rules, correct that I can also drop the
> > vma_is_fsdax check when the FOLL_LONGTERM flag is set?
> 
> That's the right direction to go *in general*, but I see that the
> pin_user_pages code is still a bit stuck in the past. And this patch
> won't actually work, with or without that vma_is_fsdax() check.
> Because:
> 
> get_vaddr_frames(FOLL_LONGTERM)
>    pin_user_pages_locked()
> 	if (WARN_ON_ONCE(gup_flags & FOLL_LONGTERM))
> 		return -EINVAL;

There is no particular reason this code needs to have the mm sem at
that point.

It should call pin_user_pages_fast() and only if that fails get the mmap
lock and extract the VMA to do broken hackery.

Jason

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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-samsung-soc <linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Linux MM" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Linux ARM" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 20:24:41 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201003232441.GO9916@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f5130c7f-eebe-7b21-62b8-68f08212b106@nvidia.com>

On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 03:52:32PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
> On 10/3/20 2:45 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 12:39 AM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 10/2/20 10:53 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > For $reasons I've stumbled over this code and I'm not sure the change
> > > > to the new gup functions in 55a650c35fea ("mm/gup: frame_vector:
> > > > convert get_user_pages() --> pin_user_pages()") was entirely correct.
> > > > 
> > > > This here is used for long term buffers (not just quick I/O) like
> > > > RDMA, and John notes this in his patch. But I thought the rule for
> > > > these is that they need to add FOLL_LONGTERM, which John's patch
> > > > didn't do.
> > > 
> > > Yep. The earlier gup --> pup conversion patches were intended to not
> > > have any noticeable behavior changes, and FOLL_LONGTERM, with it's
> > > special cases and such, added some risk that I wasn't ready to take
> > > on yet. Also, FOLL_LONGTERM rules are only *recently* getting firmed
> > > up. So there was some doubt at least in my mind, about which sites
> > > should have it.
> > > 
> > > But now that we're here, I think it's really good that you've brought
> > > this up. It's definitely time to add FOLL_LONGTERM wherever it's missing.
> > 
> > So should I keep this patch, or will it collide with a series you're working on?
> 
> It doesn't collide with anything on my end yet, because I've been slow to
> pick up on the need for changing callsites to add FOLL_LONGTERM. :)
> 
> And it looks like that's actually a problem, because:
> 
> > 
> > Also with the firmed up rules, correct that I can also drop the
> > vma_is_fsdax check when the FOLL_LONGTERM flag is set?
> 
> That's the right direction to go *in general*, but I see that the
> pin_user_pages code is still a bit stuck in the past. And this patch
> won't actually work, with or without that vma_is_fsdax() check.
> Because:
> 
> get_vaddr_frames(FOLL_LONGTERM)
>    pin_user_pages_locked()
> 	if (WARN_ON_ONCE(gup_flags & FOLL_LONGTERM))
> 		return -EINVAL;

There is no particular reason this code needs to have the mm sem at
that point.

It should call pin_user_pages_fast() and only if that fails get the mmap
lock and extract the VMA to do broken hackery.

Jason
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-03 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-02 17:53 [PATCH 1/2] mm/frame-vec: Drop gup_flags from get_vaddr_frames() Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 18:06   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:06     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:06     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:16     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 23:31       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 23:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 23:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-03  8:34         ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-03  8:34           ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-03  8:34           ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-03  9:40         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:40           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:40           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 12:50           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 12:50             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 12:50             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 16:09             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 16:09               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 16:09               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 17:28               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:28                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:28                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:16                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:37                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:37                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:37                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:54                     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:54                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:54                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 22:43                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 22:43                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 22:43                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 23:41                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 23:41                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 23:41                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06  6:23                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06  6:23                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06  6:23                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 12:26                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 12:26                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 12:26                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 13:08                               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 13:08                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 13:08                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 10:47           ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 10:47             ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 10:47             ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:01             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:01               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:01               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:33               ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:33                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:33                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:44                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 12:44                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 12:44                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 12:47                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 12:47                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 12:47                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 12:58                     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:58                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:58                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 13:06                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:06                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:06                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:34                         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:34                           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:34                           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:42                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:42                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 14:08                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:08                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:08                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:11                             ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:11                               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:11                               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:22                               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:22                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:22                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 15:05                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 15:05                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 15:05                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:58                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 14:58                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 14:58                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:06         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:06           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:06           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:14           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:14             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:14             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 15:03     ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 15:03       ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 15:03       ` Jan Kara
2020-10-02 22:39   ` John Hubbard
2020-10-02 22:39     ` John Hubbard
2020-10-02 22:39     ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03  9:45     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:45       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:45       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03 22:52       ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03 22:52         ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03 22:52         ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03 23:24         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2020-10-03 23:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-03 23:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 11:20           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 11:20             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 11:20             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 17:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:35               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:35               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/frame-vec: Drop gup_flags from get_vaddr_frames() Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 18:22   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 18:22   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 18:22   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 19:21   ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-02 19:21     ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-02 19:21     ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-02 19:21     ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-05 17:38 [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06  3:36   ` Andrew Morton
2020-10-06  3:36     ` Andrew Morton
2020-10-06  3:36     ` Andrew Morton
2020-10-06 11:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 11:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 11:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:53 ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 17:53   ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 17:53   ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 17:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:16     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56       ` Daniel Vetter

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