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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:03:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201005150331.GE4225@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201002180603.GL9916@ziepe.ca>

Hi!

On Fri 02-10-20 15:06:03, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> This get_vaddr_frames() thing looks impossible to use properly. How on
> earth does a driver guarentee
> 
>  "If @start belongs to VM_IO | VM_PFNMAP vma, we don't touch page
>  structures and the caller must make sure pfns aren't reused for
>  anything else while he is using them."
> 
> The only possible way to do that is if the driver restricts the VMAs
> to ones it owns and interacts with the vm_private data to refcount
> something.
> 
> Since every driver does this wrong anything that uses this is creating
> terrifying security issues.
> 
> IMHO this whole API should be deleted :(

So I'm the one guilty for introducing this API. The API was created to
factor out code in several (mostly V4L AFAIR) drivers thus reducing amount
of drivers poking into MM internals and getting things wrong in various
cases. It may well be that the API is still broken from "can driver ensure
this" POV - I tried to keep things things as they were before in this
regard as I have very little knowledge in how these drivers are supposed to
work.

Anyway, if you can make this go away, sure go ahead :)

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:03:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201005150331.GE4225@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201002180603.GL9916@ziepe.ca>

Hi!

On Fri 02-10-20 15:06:03, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> This get_vaddr_frames() thing looks impossible to use properly. How on
> earth does a driver guarentee
> 
>  "If @start belongs to VM_IO | VM_PFNMAP vma, we don't touch page
>  structures and the caller must make sure pfns aren't reused for
>  anything else while he is using them."
> 
> The only possible way to do that is if the driver restricts the VMAs
> to ones it owns and interacts with the vm_private data to refcount
> something.
> 
> Since every driver does this wrong anything that uses this is creating
> terrifying security issues.
> 
> IMHO this whole API should be deleted :(

So I'm the one guilty for introducing this API. The API was created to
factor out code in several (mostly V4L AFAIR) drivers thus reducing amount
of drivers poking into MM internals and getting things wrong in various
cases. It may well be that the API is still broken from "can driver ensure
this" POV - I tried to keep things things as they were before in this
regard as I have very little knowledge in how these drivers are supposed to
work.

Anyway, if you can make this go away, sure go ahead :)

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:03:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201005150331.GE4225@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201002180603.GL9916@ziepe.ca>

Hi!

On Fri 02-10-20 15:06:03, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> This get_vaddr_frames() thing looks impossible to use properly. How on
> earth does a driver guarentee
> 
>  "If @start belongs to VM_IO | VM_PFNMAP vma, we don't touch page
>  structures and the caller must make sure pfns aren't reused for
>  anything else while he is using them."
> 
> The only possible way to do that is if the driver restricts the VMAs
> to ones it owns and interacts with the vm_private data to refcount
> something.
> 
> Since every driver does this wrong anything that uses this is creating
> terrifying security issues.
> 
> IMHO this whole API should be deleted :(

So I'm the one guilty for introducing this API. The API was created to
factor out code in several (mostly V4L AFAIR) drivers thus reducing amount
of drivers poking into MM internals and getting things wrong in various
cases. It may well be that the API is still broken from "can driver ensure
this" POV - I tried to keep things things as they were before in this
regard as I have very little knowledge in how these drivers are supposed to
work.

Anyway, if you can make this go away, sure go ahead :)

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-05 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-02 17:53 [PATCH 1/2] mm/frame-vec: Drop gup_flags from get_vaddr_frames() Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 17:53   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 18:06   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:06     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:06     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:16     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-02 23:31       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 23:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 23:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-03  8:34         ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-03  8:34           ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-03  8:34           ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-03  9:40         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:40           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:40           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 12:50           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 12:50             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 12:50             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 16:09             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 16:09               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 16:09               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 17:28               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:28                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:28                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:16                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:37                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:37                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:37                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:54                     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:54                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:54                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 22:43                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 22:43                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 22:43                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 23:41                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 23:41                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 23:41                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06  6:23                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06  6:23                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06  6:23                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 12:26                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 12:26                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 12:26                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 13:08                               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 13:08                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 13:08                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 10:47           ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 10:47             ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 10:47             ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:01             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:01               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:01               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:33               ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:33                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:33                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-10-07 12:44                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 12:44                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 12:44                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 12:47                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 12:47                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 12:47                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 12:58                     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:58                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 12:58                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 13:06                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:06                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:06                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:34                         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:34                           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:34                           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:42                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:42                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 14:08                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:08                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:08                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:11                             ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:11                               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:11                               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:22                               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:22                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 14:22                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-07 15:05                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 15:05                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 15:05                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 14:58                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 14:58                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 14:58                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:06         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:06           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:06           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-07 13:14           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:14             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-07 13:14             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 15:03     ` Jan Kara [this message]
2020-10-05 15:03       ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 15:03       ` Jan Kara
2020-10-02 22:39   ` John Hubbard
2020-10-02 22:39     ` John Hubbard
2020-10-02 22:39     ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03  9:45     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:45       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03  9:45       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-03 22:52       ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03 22:52         ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03 22:52         ` John Hubbard
2020-10-03 23:24         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-03 23:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-03 23:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-04 11:20           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 11:20             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-04 11:20             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 17:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:35               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:35               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-02 18:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/frame-vec: Drop gup_flags from get_vaddr_frames() Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 18:22   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 18:22   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 18:22   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-10-02 19:21   ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-02 19:21     ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-02 19:21     ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-02 19:21     ` Oded Gabbay
2020-10-05 17:38 [PATCH 2/2] mm/frame-vec: use FOLL_LONGTERM Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06  3:36   ` Andrew Morton
2020-10-06  3:36     ` Andrew Morton
2020-10-06  3:36     ` Andrew Morton
2020-10-06 11:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 11:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-06 11:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:53 ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 17:53   ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 17:53   ` Jan Kara
2020-10-05 17:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 17:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-05 18:16     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-05 18:16       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-06 11:56       ` Daniel Vetter

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