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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: dgilbert@redhat.com, pair@us.ibm.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	brijesh.singh@amd.com, pasic@linux.ibm.com,
	pragyansri.pathi@intel.com, Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>,
	richard.henderson@linaro.org, berrange@redhat.com,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, mtosatti@redhat.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, thuth@redhat.com,
	frankja@linux.ibm.com, jun.nakajima@intel.com,
	andi.kleen@intel.com, Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 12/13] confidential guest support: Alter virtio default properties for protected guests
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 15:53:04 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210203045304.GE2251@yekko.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210202180328-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

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On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 06:06:34PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 03:13:14PM +1100, David Gibson wrote:
> > The default behaviour for virtio devices is not to use the platforms normal
> > DMA paths, but instead to use the fact that it's running in a hypervisor
> > to directly access guest memory.  That doesn't work if the guest's memory
> > is protected from hypervisor access, such as with AMD's SEV or POWER's PEF.
> > 
> > So, if a confidential guest mechanism is enabled, then apply the
> > iommu_platform=on option so it will go through normal DMA mechanisms.
> > Those will presumably have some way of marking memory as shared with
> > the hypervisor or hardware so that DMA will work.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > Reviewed-by: Dr. David Alan Gilbert <dgilbert@redhat.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>
> 
> 
> > ---
> >  hw/core/machine.c | 13 +++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 13 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/hw/core/machine.c b/hw/core/machine.c
> > index 94194ab82d..497949899b 100644
> > --- a/hw/core/machine.c
> > +++ b/hw/core/machine.c
> > @@ -33,6 +33,8 @@
> >  #include "migration/global_state.h"
> >  #include "migration/vmstate.h"
> >  #include "exec/confidential-guest-support.h"
> > +#include "hw/virtio/virtio.h"
> > +#include "hw/virtio/virtio-pci.h"
> >  
> >  GlobalProperty hw_compat_5_2[] = {};
> >  const size_t hw_compat_5_2_len = G_N_ELEMENTS(hw_compat_5_2);
> > @@ -1196,6 +1198,17 @@ void machine_run_board_init(MachineState *machine)
> >           * areas.
> >           */
> >          machine_set_mem_merge(OBJECT(machine), false, &error_abort);
> > +
> > +        /*
> > +         * Virtio devices can't count on directly accessing guest
> > +         * memory, so they need iommu_platform=on to use normal DMA
> > +         * mechanisms.  That requires also disabling legacy virtio
> > +         * support for those virtio pci devices which allow it.
> > +         */
> > +        object_register_sugar_prop(TYPE_VIRTIO_PCI, "disable-legacy",
> > +                                   "on", true);
> > +        object_register_sugar_prop(TYPE_VIRTIO_DEVICE, "iommu_platform",
> > +                                   "on", false);
> 
> So overriding a boolean property always poses a problem:
> if user does set iommu_platform=off we are ignoring this
> silently.

No, we don't.  That's why this is register_sugar_prop() rather than an
outright set_prop().  An explicitly given option will take precedence.

> Can we change iommu_platform to on/off/auto? Then we can
> change how does auto behave.

I've never had a satisfactory explanation of what the semantics of
"auto" need to be.

> 
> Bonus points for adding "access_platform" and making it
> a synonym of platform_iommu.
> 
> >      }
> >  
> >      machine_class->init(machine);
> 

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: pair@us.ibm.com, mtosatti@redhat.com, brijesh.singh@amd.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, frankja@linux.ibm.com,
	borntraeger@de.ibm.com, mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, pragyansri.pathi@intel.com,
	andi.kleen@intel.com, thuth@redhat.com,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	richard.henderson@linaro.org, dgilbert@redhat.com,
	Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, jun.nakajima@intel.com,
	berrange@redhat.com, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 12/13] confidential guest support: Alter virtio default properties for protected guests
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 15:53:04 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210203045304.GE2251@yekko.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210202180328-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

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On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 06:06:34PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 03:13:14PM +1100, David Gibson wrote:
> > The default behaviour for virtio devices is not to use the platforms normal
> > DMA paths, but instead to use the fact that it's running in a hypervisor
> > to directly access guest memory.  That doesn't work if the guest's memory
> > is protected from hypervisor access, such as with AMD's SEV or POWER's PEF.
> > 
> > So, if a confidential guest mechanism is enabled, then apply the
> > iommu_platform=on option so it will go through normal DMA mechanisms.
> > Those will presumably have some way of marking memory as shared with
> > the hypervisor or hardware so that DMA will work.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > Reviewed-by: Dr. David Alan Gilbert <dgilbert@redhat.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>
> 
> 
> > ---
> >  hw/core/machine.c | 13 +++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 13 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/hw/core/machine.c b/hw/core/machine.c
> > index 94194ab82d..497949899b 100644
> > --- a/hw/core/machine.c
> > +++ b/hw/core/machine.c
> > @@ -33,6 +33,8 @@
> >  #include "migration/global_state.h"
> >  #include "migration/vmstate.h"
> >  #include "exec/confidential-guest-support.h"
> > +#include "hw/virtio/virtio.h"
> > +#include "hw/virtio/virtio-pci.h"
> >  
> >  GlobalProperty hw_compat_5_2[] = {};
> >  const size_t hw_compat_5_2_len = G_N_ELEMENTS(hw_compat_5_2);
> > @@ -1196,6 +1198,17 @@ void machine_run_board_init(MachineState *machine)
> >           * areas.
> >           */
> >          machine_set_mem_merge(OBJECT(machine), false, &error_abort);
> > +
> > +        /*
> > +         * Virtio devices can't count on directly accessing guest
> > +         * memory, so they need iommu_platform=on to use normal DMA
> > +         * mechanisms.  That requires also disabling legacy virtio
> > +         * support for those virtio pci devices which allow it.
> > +         */
> > +        object_register_sugar_prop(TYPE_VIRTIO_PCI, "disable-legacy",
> > +                                   "on", true);
> > +        object_register_sugar_prop(TYPE_VIRTIO_DEVICE, "iommu_platform",
> > +                                   "on", false);
> 
> So overriding a boolean property always poses a problem:
> if user does set iommu_platform=off we are ignoring this
> silently.

No, we don't.  That's why this is register_sugar_prop() rather than an
outright set_prop().  An explicitly given option will take precedence.

> Can we change iommu_platform to on/off/auto? Then we can
> change how does auto behave.

I've never had a satisfactory explanation of what the semantics of
"auto" need to be.

> 
> Bonus points for adding "access_platform" and making it
> a synonym of platform_iommu.
> 
> >      }
> >  
> >      machine_class->init(machine);
> 

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-03  4:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-02  4:13 [PATCH v8 00/13] Generalize memory encryption models David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 01/13] qom: Allow optional sugar props David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 02/13] confidential guest support: Introduce new confidential guest support class David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 03/13] sev: Remove false abstraction of flash encryption David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 04/13] confidential guest support: Move side effect out of machine_set_memory_encryption() David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 05/13] confidential guest support: Rework the "memory-encryption" property David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 06/13] sev: Add Error ** to sev_kvm_init() David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 07/13] confidential guest support: Introduce cgs "ready" flag David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-03 10:42   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-02-03 10:42     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-02-03 16:15   ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-03 16:15     ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-04  2:45     ` David Gibson
2021-02-04  2:45       ` David Gibson
2021-02-10 16:25   ` Venu Busireddy
2021-02-10 16:25     ` Venu Busireddy
2021-02-11 23:48     ` David Gibson
2021-02-11 23:48       ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 08/13] confidential guest support: Move SEV initialization into arch specific code David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-03 16:19   ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-03 16:19     ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 09/13] confidential guest support: Update documentation David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 10/13] spapr: Add PEF based confidential guest support David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-03 17:50   ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-03 17:50     ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-04  2:47     ` David Gibson
2021-02-04  2:47       ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 11/13] spapr: PEF: prevent migration David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 12/13] confidential guest support: Alter virtio default properties for protected guests David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-02 23:06   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-02 23:06     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-03  4:53     ` David Gibson [this message]
2021-02-03  4:53       ` David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13 ` [PATCH v8 13/13] s390: Recognize confidential-guest-support option David Gibson
2021-02-02  4:13   ` David Gibson
2021-02-03  9:05   ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-02-03  9:05     ` Christian Borntraeger

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