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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
Cc: Sven Schnelle <svens@stackframe.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Helge as fbdev maintainer
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:53:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220118095352.xsb6fqacw4p276c5@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220118103323.4bae3a7d@eldfell>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:33:23AM +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:47:39 +0100
> Sven Schnelle <svens@stackframe.org> wrote:
> 
> > I also tested the speed on my Thinkpad X1 with Intel graphics, and there
> > a dmesg with 919 lines one the text console took about 2s to display. In
> > x11, i measure 22ms. This might be unfair because encoding might be
> > different, but i cannot confirm the 'memcpy' is faster than hardware
> > blitting' point. I think if that would be the case, no-one would care
> > about 2D acceleration.
> 
> I think that is an extremely unfair comparison, because a graphical
> terminal app is not going to render every line of text streamed to it.
> It probably renders only the final view alone if you simply run
> 'dmesg', skipping the first 800-900 lines completely.

Probably more like "render on every vblank", but yes, unlike fbcon it
surely wouldn't render every single character sent to the terminal.

Also acceleration on modern hardware is more like "compose window
content using the 3d engine" than "use 2d blitter to scroll the window".

> Maybe fbcon should do the same when presented with a flood of text,
> but I don't know how or why it works like it works.

fbcon could do the same, i.e. render to fbdev in a 60Hz timer instead of
doing it synchronously.

take care,
  Gerd


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@stackframe.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Helge as fbdev maintainer
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:53:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220118095352.xsb6fqacw4p276c5@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220118103323.4bae3a7d@eldfell>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:33:23AM +0200, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:47:39 +0100
> Sven Schnelle <svens@stackframe.org> wrote:
> 
> > I also tested the speed on my Thinkpad X1 with Intel graphics, and there
> > a dmesg with 919 lines one the text console took about 2s to display. In
> > x11, i measure 22ms. This might be unfair because encoding might be
> > different, but i cannot confirm the 'memcpy' is faster than hardware
> > blitting' point. I think if that would be the case, no-one would care
> > about 2D acceleration.
> 
> I think that is an extremely unfair comparison, because a graphical
> terminal app is not going to render every line of text streamed to it.
> It probably renders only the final view alone if you simply run
> 'dmesg', skipping the first 800-900 lines completely.

Probably more like "render on every vblank", but yes, unlike fbcon it
surely wouldn't render every single character sent to the terminal.

Also acceleration on modern hardware is more like "compose window
content using the 3d engine" than "use 2d blitter to scroll the window".

> Maybe fbcon should do the same when presented with a flood of text,
> but I don't know how or why it works like it works.

fbcon could do the same, i.e. render to fbdev in a 60Hz timer instead of
doing it synchronously.

take care,
  Gerd


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-18  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-14 18:11 [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Helge as fbdev maintainer Helge Deller
2022-01-14 18:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-14 18:31   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-17  9:48 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17  9:48   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 10:02 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 10:02   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 10:19   ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-17 10:19     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-17 10:49   ` Jani Nikula
2022-01-17 10:57     ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 12:15   ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 12:15     ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 12:57     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-17 12:57       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-17 13:29       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-17 13:29         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-17 13:51         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 13:51           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 14:10           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-17 14:10             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-17 14:47             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 14:47               ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 15:03               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 15:03                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 20:17                 ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 20:17                   ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  6:29                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18  6:29                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18  8:10                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-18  8:10                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-18 11:44                       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 11:44                         ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 14:23                       ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-18 14:23                         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-18 14:39                         ` Simon Ser
2022-01-18 14:39                           ` Simon Ser
2022-01-20 12:50                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-20 12:50                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-21  8:55                           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-21  8:55                             ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-24 18:38                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-24 18:38                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-24 18:50                               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-24 18:50                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-24 19:05                               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-24 19:05                                 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-18  8:20                     ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  8:20                       ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  9:16                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18  9:16                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18 10:13                         ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18 10:13                           ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18 10:44                           ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18 10:44                             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18 12:48                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18 12:48                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-17 15:05               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 15:05                 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 16:05                 ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 16:05                   ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 14:53             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 14:53               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-18  6:11         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18  6:11           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18  8:09           ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  8:09             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 15:00     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 15:00       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 15:42       ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 15:42         ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 15:56         ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 15:56           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 15:58         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 15:58           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 16:21           ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 16:21             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 16:38             ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 16:38               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-17 17:19               ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 17:19                 ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 19:45             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 19:45               ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 21:55               ` Ilia Mirkin
2022-01-17 21:55                 ` Ilia Mirkin
2022-01-18 11:14                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 11:14                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 14:14             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-18 14:14               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 21:40           ` Jani Nikula
2022-01-17 21:40             ` Jani Nikula
2022-01-17 21:44             ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 21:44               ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  8:38               ` Jani Nikula
2022-01-18  8:38                 ` Jani Nikula
2022-01-18  8:41                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-18  8:41                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-18 11:41                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 11:41                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 12:11                     ` Simon Ser
2022-01-18 12:11                       ` Simon Ser
2022-01-18  8:54                 ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  8:54                   ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  9:33                   ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-18  9:33                     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-01-18  9:45                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-18  9:45                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-18 11:18                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 11:18                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 11:42                     ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18 11:42                       ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  8:41       ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  8:41         ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  9:12         ` Helge Deller
2022-01-18  9:12           ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 11:16 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 11:33   ` Helge Deller
2022-01-17 12:13     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-17 18:47   ` Sven Schnelle
2022-01-18  8:33     ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-01-18  8:33       ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-01-18  9:53       ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2022-01-18  9:53         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18 11:22         ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 11:22           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-18 12:07           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18 12:07             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-19  8:39         ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-01-19  8:39           ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-01-20  9:06         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-20  9:06           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-20 11:32           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-20 11:32             ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-20 12:13             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-20 12:13               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-20 12:33               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-20 12:33                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-20 12:46                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-20 12:46                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-24 18:50                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-24 18:50                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-24 19:37                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-24 19:37                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-20 11:51           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-20 11:51             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-01-18  8:58     ` Michel Dänzer
2022-01-18 10:05       ` Sven Schnelle
2022-01-18 10:05         ` Sven Schnelle
2022-01-18 14:06     ` Thomas Zimmermann

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