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From: Nick Kossifidis <mick@ics.forth.gr>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Drew Fustini <drew@beagleboard.org>,
	Anup Patel <anup.patel@wdc.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmerdabbelt@google.com>,
	wefu@redhat.com, lazyparser@gmail.com,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev, Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Nick Kossifidis <mick@ics.forth.gr>,
	Benjamin Koch <snowball@c3pb.de>,
	Matteo Croce <mcroce@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Wei Fu <tekkamanninja@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/3] riscv: Add DMA_COHERENT support
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 21:14:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <29733b0931d9dd6a2f0b6919067c7efe@mailhost.ics.forth.gr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTR4FXRbp7oky-ypdVJba6btFHpp-+dPyJStRaQX_-5rzg@mail.gmail.com>

Στις 2021-05-20 04:45, Guo Ren έγραψε:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 2:53 PM Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:44:35PM -0700, Drew Fustini wrote:
>> > This patch series looks like it might be useful for the StarFive JH7100
>> > [1] [2] too as it has peripherals on a non-coherent interconnect. GMAC,
>> > USB and SDIO require that the L2 cache must be manually flushed after
>> > DMA operations if the data is intended to be shared with U74 cores [2].
>> 
>> Not too much, given that the SiFive lineage CPUs have an uncached
>> window, that is a totally different way to allocate uncached memory.
> It's a very big MIPS smell. What's the attribute of the uncached
> window? (uncached + strong-order/ uncached + weak, most vendors still
> use AXI interconnect, how to deal with a bufferable attribute?) In
> fact, customers' drivers use different ways to deal with DMA memory in
> non-coherent SOC. Most riscv SOC vendors are from ARM, so giving them
> the same way in DMA memory is a smart choice. So using PTE attributes
> is more suitable.
> 
> See:
> https://github.com/riscv/virtual-memory/blob/main/specs/611-virtual-memory-diff.pdf
> 4.4.1
> The draft supports custom attribute bits in PTE.
> 

Not only it doesn't support custom attributes on PTEs:

"Bits63–54 are reserved for future standard use and must be zeroed by 
software for forward compatibility."

It also goes further to say that:

"if any of these bits are set, a page-fault exception is raised"

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nick Kossifidis <mick@ics.forth.gr>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Drew Fustini <drew@beagleboard.org>,
	Anup Patel <anup.patel@wdc.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmerdabbelt@google.com>,
	wefu@redhat.com, lazyparser@gmail.com,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev, Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Nick Kossifidis <mick@ics.forth.gr>,
	Benjamin Koch <snowball@c3pb.de>,
	Matteo Croce <mcroce@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Wei Fu <tekkamanninja@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/3] riscv: Add DMA_COHERENT support
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 21:14:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <29733b0931d9dd6a2f0b6919067c7efe@mailhost.ics.forth.gr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTR4FXRbp7oky-ypdVJba6btFHpp-+dPyJStRaQX_-5rzg@mail.gmail.com>

Στις 2021-05-20 04:45, Guo Ren έγραψε:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 2:53 PM Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:44:35PM -0700, Drew Fustini wrote:
>> > This patch series looks like it might be useful for the StarFive JH7100
>> > [1] [2] too as it has peripherals on a non-coherent interconnect. GMAC,
>> > USB and SDIO require that the L2 cache must be manually flushed after
>> > DMA operations if the data is intended to be shared with U74 cores [2].
>> 
>> Not too much, given that the SiFive lineage CPUs have an uncached
>> window, that is a totally different way to allocate uncached memory.
> It's a very big MIPS smell. What's the attribute of the uncached
> window? (uncached + strong-order/ uncached + weak, most vendors still
> use AXI interconnect, how to deal with a bufferable attribute?) In
> fact, customers' drivers use different ways to deal with DMA memory in
> non-coherent SOC. Most riscv SOC vendors are from ARM, so giving them
> the same way in DMA memory is a smart choice. So using PTE attributes
> is more suitable.
> 
> See:
> https://github.com/riscv/virtual-memory/blob/main/specs/611-virtual-memory-diff.pdf
> 4.4.1
> The draft supports custom attribute bits in PTE.
> 

Not only it doesn't support custom attributes on PTEs:

"Bits63–54 are reserved for future standard use and must be zeroed by 
software for forward compatibility."

It also goes further to say that:

"if any of these bits are set, a page-fault exception is raised"

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-06 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-19  5:04 [PATCH RFC 0/3] riscv: Add DMA_COHERENT support guoren
2021-05-19  5:04 ` guoren
2021-05-19  5:04 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] riscv: pgtable.h: Fixup _PAGE_CHG_MASK usage guoren
2021-05-19  5:04   ` guoren
2021-05-19  5:04 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] riscv: Add DMA_COHERENT for custom PTE attributes guoren
2021-05-19  5:04   ` guoren
2021-05-19  5:04 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] riscv: Add SYNC_DMA_FOR_CPU/DEVICE for DMA_COHERENT guoren
2021-05-19  5:04   ` guoren
2021-05-19  6:32   ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:32     ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:32     ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  5:20 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] riscv: Add DMA_COHERENT support Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  5:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  5:48   ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  5:48     ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  5:48     ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  5:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  5:55       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  6:09       ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:09         ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:09         ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:44     ` Drew Fustini
2021-05-19  6:44       ` Drew Fustini
2021-05-19  6:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  6:53         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-20  1:45         ` Guo Ren
2021-05-20  1:45           ` Guo Ren
2021-05-20  1:45           ` Guo Ren
2021-05-20  5:48           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-20  5:48             ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-06 18:14           ` Nick Kossifidis [this message]
2021-06-06 18:14             ` Nick Kossifidis
2021-06-07  0:04             ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  0:04               ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  2:16               ` Nick Kossifidis
2021-06-07  2:16                 ` Nick Kossifidis
2021-06-07  3:19                 ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  3:19                   ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  6:27                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-07  6:27                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-07  6:41                     ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  6:41                       ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  6:51                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-07  6:51                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-07  7:46                         ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  7:46                           ` Guo Ren
2021-06-08 15:00                     ` David Laight
2021-06-08 15:00                       ` David Laight
2021-06-08 15:32                       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2021-06-08 15:32                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2021-06-08 16:11                         ` David Laight
2021-06-08 16:11                           ` David Laight
2021-06-07  8:35                   ` Nick Kossifidis
2021-06-07  8:35                     ` Nick Kossifidis
2021-06-09  3:28             ` Guo Ren
2021-06-09  3:28               ` Guo Ren
2021-06-09  6:05               ` Jisheng Zhang
2021-06-09  6:05                 ` Jisheng Zhang
2021-06-09  9:45               ` Nick Kossifidis
2021-06-09  9:45                 ` Nick Kossifidis
2021-06-09 12:43                 ` Guo Ren
2021-06-09 12:43                   ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:05   ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:05     ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:05     ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:06     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  6:06       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  6:11       ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:11         ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:11         ` Guo Ren
2021-05-19  6:54       ` Drew Fustini
2021-05-19  6:54         ` Drew Fustini
2021-05-19  6:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  6:56           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-19  7:14         ` Anup Patel
2021-05-19  7:14           ` Anup Patel
2021-05-19  8:25           ` Damien Le Moal
2021-05-19  8:25             ` Damien Le Moal
2021-05-20  1:47           ` Guo Ren
2021-05-20  1:47             ` Guo Ren
2021-05-20  1:59             ` Guo Ren
2021-05-20  1:59               ` Guo Ren
2021-05-22  0:36           ` Guo Ren
2021-05-22  0:36             ` Guo Ren
2021-05-30  0:30             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-05-30  0:30               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-03  4:13               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-03  4:13                 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-03  6:00                 ` Anup Patel
2021-06-03  6:00                   ` Anup Patel
2021-06-03 15:39                   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-03 15:39                     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-04  9:02                     ` David Laight
2021-06-04  9:02                       ` David Laight
2021-06-04  9:53                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-04  9:53                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-04  9:53                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-04 14:47                       ` Guo Ren
2021-06-04 14:47                         ` Guo Ren
2021-06-04 16:12                         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-04 16:12                           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-04 21:26                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-04 21:26                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-04 21:26                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-04 22:10                             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-04 22:10                               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-06-08 12:26                           ` Guo Ren
2021-06-08 12:26                             ` Guo Ren
2021-06-06 17:11                   ` Guo Ren
2021-06-06 17:11                     ` Guo Ren
2021-06-06 17:11                     ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  3:38                     ` Anup Patel
2021-06-07  3:38                       ` Anup Patel
2021-06-07  4:22                       ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  4:22                         ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  4:22                         ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  4:47                         ` Anup Patel
2021-06-07  4:47                           ` Anup Patel
2021-06-07  5:08                           ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  5:08                             ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  5:08                             ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  5:13                           ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  5:13                             ` Guo Ren
2021-06-07  5:13                             ` Guo Ren

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