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From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <nicolas.mailhot@laposte.net>
To: greg@kroah.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:06:32 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <32793.192.54.193.51.1170248792.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> (raw)

Hi,

I'd really love if the same offer was extended to GPL out-of-tree driver
trees.

There are many out-of-tree drivers (ivtv, lirc, various webcam drivers,
enhanced USB keyboard handlers...) with merging not planified or taking
ages.

The associated hardware is useful enough someone wrote a driver.
There is "documentation" in the form of a working driver.
Sometimes there are already many FLOSS apps writen that depend on them.

Yet they languish out-of-tree, effectively sterilizing alternative efforts
just because people know they exist. Someone wrote an howto on how to plug
them in an ancient kernel, and that's good enough to remove a lot of the
merging incentive.

The common wisdom seems to be their authors will hammer LKML hard enough
the driver will eventually be merged. But these authors:
- get set in their ways like any human being
- usually put new features first and merging last
- may have decided merging was too much work
- may be struggling to do it alone
- may have asked LKML about merging once, got ignored/refused (for good,
bad, or obsolete reasons), and decided to spend their time on more
constructive work

So there are many reasons why merging will not happen as things stand.

These drivers are in many ways every bit as harmful as closed binary blobs
(making users miserable, killing alternatives, being a major reason old
kernel binaries get used long after security problems were identified and
fixed, etc). Merging/reworking them is easier than starting from
incomplete NDAed documentation. If (as this offer implies) there are good
driver authors waiting to do more drivering, why aren't those a priority?

As a side effect, cleaning up our own GPL community mess would help
convince hardware manufacturers working within the main kernel is the
right workable solution.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot


             reply	other threads:[~2007-01-31 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-31 13:06 Nicolas Mailhot [this message]
2007-01-31 19:29 ` Free Linux Driver Development! Francois Romieu
2007-01-31 19:54   ` Auke Kok
2007-01-31 21:33     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:48       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 20:09   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-01-31 20:12 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 21:15   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  5:50     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 22:06   ` Dave Jones
2007-01-31 22:08     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-31 23:00   ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-31 23:04     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-01  1:08       ` Mark Lord
2007-02-01  1:39         ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 10:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 23:44     ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  0:07       ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  1:58         ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  8:40       ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:03         ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  9:22           ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:34             ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 23:59     ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 11:43       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-14 12:00     ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-04 21:37 devzero
2007-02-04 23:04 ` Oleg Verych
2007-02-04  6:26 Larry Finger
2007-02-04 10:36 ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-02  4:54 Christoph Bartelmus
     [not found] <fa.vy0GBdNvEFvgi9ipVzdiBp0FpjI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.INRmyia9BGp5I+SBT3+o7eNe+vo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.JOovioFiqyKNIa9g0QxNLn/pldw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.f1ctPsEcBEc59B+Sd5oTTUfDmIs@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.OyKqe20gDjwobkBZicjVmJ5DPp8@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]         ` <fa.T1Mpk9x9o81uajHKj9J8RE8yM2c@ifi.uio.no>
2007-01-30 23:35           ` Robert Hancock
2007-01-30  1:29 Greg KH
2007-01-30  2:19 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-30  2:23   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30  7:33 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-01-30 19:15   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-30 10:52 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:14   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:31     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:23       ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:39         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:13         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-31 21:56           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-31 22:04             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-30 13:45 ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:12   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:40     ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:47       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:30 ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:11   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:21     ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:33   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-30 19:55     ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:45 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 17:55   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 18:20   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 18:11     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2007-01-30 19:02     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:36       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 19:10   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:29     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 21:38         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 21:47           ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:00             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:39                   ` John W. Linville
2007-01-30 22:23                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 13:59                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 14:45                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 22:39                       ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 15:46                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-01 16:42                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 17:48                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-30 22:14               ` Dave Airlie
2007-01-30 22:24                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-30 22:41                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 13:34                     ` David Hollis
2007-01-31 17:56                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 18:37                         ` Bob Copeland
2007-02-01  5:52                           ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 20:54                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-31 17:50               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 17:55                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:58                 ` alan
2007-01-31 18:29                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 19:17                     ` alan
2007-01-30 22:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:15             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:01               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19         ` Matthieu CASTET
2007-01-30 22:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  4:02             ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-31 12:49               ` Alan
2007-01-31 18:37                 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-30 23:03           ` Alan
2007-01-31 17:03         ` Eric Sandeen
2007-01-31 17:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:09             ` Eric Sandeen
2007-02-07 14:03               ` Tejun Heo
2007-02-07 18:40                 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 17:28           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:54       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 21:46         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:27           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-01-30 22:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:50             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:05               ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 23:09               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 23:29                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:45                   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-31  0:16                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  0:46                     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:07                     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-31  1:30                       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07 10:30           ` Laurent Pinchart
2007-01-30 22:43       ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:52     ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:11       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:19       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:24       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  2:11         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-05  9:49           ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-02-06 13:37             ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 14:57               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-06 16:30               ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 16:36                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 21:14               ` Akemi Yagi
2007-02-07 13:33                 ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-07 13:50                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-08  0:43                 ` David Lang
2007-02-06 15:12             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:11               ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-01-31 17:41     ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01  5:46       ` Greg KH
2007-02-01 14:22         ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01 14:41           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:08 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2007-01-30 19:49   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:15 ` Andrew Lyon
2007-01-30 20:30   ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 13:29     ` Christer Weinigel
2007-02-04 18:19       ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 21:33         ` Christer Weinigel
2007-01-31  2:27 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-31  6:26   ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  6:48     ` Kumar Gala
2007-01-31 20:01       ` Michael K. Edwards
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2007-02-04 18:20     ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 19:08       ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-05  8:13         ` Greg KH
2007-02-05 15:24           ` Jiri Slaby
2007-02-06  6:42             ` Greg KH
2007-02-06 13:35           ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 17:01             ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 18:59 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-06  6:44   ` Greg KH
2007-02-06  8:29     ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-06 18:21       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07  7:12         ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-07 18:42           ` Greg KH

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