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From: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:15:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adamz40p3ej.fsf@cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45BFC1DA.7040807@garzik.org> (Jeff Garzik's message of "Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:08:26 -0500")

 > > OK, fair enough, I forgot about tg3.  But on the other hand, you
 > > wrote
 > > it without docs, actually _in spite of_ Broadcom, right?
 > > Which I think makes my point that documentation is neither necessary
 > > nor sufficient for a good Linux driver.  Documentation helps, but if
 > > no one competent cares about the device then the driver won't get
 > > written.  On the other hand, if the device is important enough, the
 > > driver will get written without documentation or vendor support.
 > 
 > That's your point??  I thought your point was (quoting your words)
 > 
 > > it's a
 > > bit disingenous to suggest that all a company has to do to get a
 > > driver written and supported is throw some documentation over the
 > > wall.  And it's crazy to suggest that the driver will work on every
 > > platform and be supported by enterprise distros.
 > 
 > To repeat -- that's how most Linux drivers have been written,
 > /particularly/ the ones used most by users of enterprise distros.

I thought you wrote tg3 without docs and without help from Broadcom?

To repeat, my point is that the drivers used most by users of
enterprise distros will get written with or without vendor docs or
help.  Drivers for hardware that only a few people care about probably
won't be written and definitely won't be maintained by volunteers even
if the vendor publishes docs.  And I think that's pretty much what I
said in both of the paragraphs you quoted above.

 - R.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-30 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-30  1:29 Free Linux Driver Development! Greg KH
2007-01-30  2:19 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-30  2:23   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30  7:33 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-01-30 19:15   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-30 10:52 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:14   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:31     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:23       ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:39         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:13         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-31 21:56           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-31 22:04             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-30 13:45 ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:12   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:40     ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:47       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:30 ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:11   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:21     ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:33   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-30 19:55     ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:45 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 17:55   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 18:20   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 18:11     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2007-01-30 19:02     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:36       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 19:10   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:29     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 21:38         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 21:47           ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:00             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:39                   ` John W. Linville
2007-01-30 22:23                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 13:59                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 14:45                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 22:39                       ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 15:46                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-01 16:42                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 17:48                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-30 22:14               ` Dave Airlie
2007-01-30 22:24                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-30 22:41                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 13:34                     ` David Hollis
2007-01-31 17:56                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 18:37                         ` Bob Copeland
2007-02-01  5:52                           ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 20:54                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-31 17:50               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 17:55                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:58                 ` alan
2007-01-31 18:29                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 19:17                     ` alan
2007-01-30 22:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:15             ` Roland Dreier [this message]
2007-01-30 23:01               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19         ` Matthieu CASTET
2007-01-30 22:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  4:02             ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-31 12:49               ` Alan
2007-01-31 18:37                 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-30 23:03           ` Alan
2007-01-31 17:03         ` Eric Sandeen
2007-01-31 17:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:09             ` Eric Sandeen
2007-02-07 14:03               ` Tejun Heo
2007-02-07 18:40                 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 17:28           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:54       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 21:46         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:27           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-01-30 22:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:50             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:05               ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 23:09               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 23:29                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:45                   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-31  0:16                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  0:46                     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:07                     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-31  1:30                       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07 10:30           ` Laurent Pinchart
2007-01-30 22:43       ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:52     ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:11       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:19       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:24       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  2:11         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-05  9:49           ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-02-06 13:37             ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 14:57               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-06 16:30               ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 16:36                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 21:14               ` Akemi Yagi
2007-02-06 22:15                 ` floppy (Re: Free Linux Driver Development!, OT) Oleg Verych
2007-02-07 13:33                 ` Free Linux Driver Development! Sunil Naidu
2007-02-07 13:50                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-08  0:43                 ` David Lang
2007-02-06 15:12             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:11               ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-01-31 10:08         ` Rewriting floppy.c was " Andi Kleen
2007-01-31  9:20           ` Jesper Juhl
2007-01-31  9:32             ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31  9:34               ` Jesper Juhl
2007-01-31 16:18           ` Martin Seidl
2007-01-31 17:24           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31 18:24             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 18:58               ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-01-31 19:20                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:46               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-02-01 13:12           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-02-01 13:22             ` Jesper Juhl
2007-02-01 17:13             ` Al Viro
2007-01-31 17:41     ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01  5:46       ` Greg KH
2007-02-01 14:22         ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01 14:41           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:08 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2007-01-30 19:49   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:15 ` Andrew Lyon
2007-01-30 20:30   ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 13:29     ` Christer Weinigel
2007-02-04 18:19       ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 21:33         ` Christer Weinigel
2007-01-31  2:27 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-31  6:26   ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  6:48     ` Kumar Gala
2007-01-31 20:01       ` Michael K. Edwards
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2007-02-04 18:20     ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 19:08       ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-05  8:13         ` Greg KH
2007-02-05 15:24           ` Jiri Slaby
2007-02-06  6:42             ` Greg KH
2007-02-06 13:35           ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 17:01             ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 18:59 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-06  6:44   ` Greg KH
2007-02-06  8:29     ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-06 18:21       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07  7:12         ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-07 18:42           ` Greg KH
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     [not found] ` <fa.INRmyia9BGp5I+SBT3+o7eNe+vo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.JOovioFiqyKNIa9g0QxNLn/pldw@ifi.uio.no>
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2007-01-30 23:35           ` Robert Hancock
2007-01-31 13:06 Nicolas Mailhot
2007-01-31 19:29 ` Francois Romieu
2007-01-31 19:54   ` Auke Kok
2007-01-31 21:33     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:48       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 20:09   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-01-31 20:12 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 21:15   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  5:50     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 22:06   ` Dave Jones
2007-01-31 22:08     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-31 23:00   ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-31 23:04     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-01  1:08       ` Mark Lord
2007-02-01  1:39         ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 10:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 23:44     ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  0:07       ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  1:58         ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  8:40       ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:03         ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  9:22           ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:34             ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 23:59     ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 11:43       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-14 12:00     ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-02  4:54 Christoph Bartelmus
2007-02-04  6:26 Larry Finger
2007-02-04 10:36 ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-04 21:37 devzero
2007-02-04 23:04 ` Oleg Verych

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