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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:36:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45BF9E32.60309@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adasldsqqvz.fsf@cisco.com>

Roland Dreier wrote:
> What are our standards for maintenance?  How can we tell in advance if
> something is going to be maintained (cf. drivers/net/chelsio)?
> 
> I don't think you can seriously argue that just posting documentation
> is going to guarantee that a device is going to get a high-quality
> driver that runs on all architectures and that enterprise distros will
> support.

Look up from infiniband once in and while, and... surprise... that's 
what is actually happening.  It sure seems to me like the drivers 
maintained by hardware vendors directly is in the distinct minority, 
illuminating irrefutable evidence that hardware vendors do in fact 
receive high quality drivers in exchange for documentation (and 
hardware) availability.  IMO the drivers of the highest quality are 
usually in the this category.


> And I don't think it's a good strategy to try convince
> vendors to open docs by using happy talk about an idealized fantasy world.

Agreed.  That's why Greg was describing the real world of Linux kernel 
development, rather than an idealized fantasy world.

How do you think you got all these highly portable ATA, USB, network, 
and sound drivers, hmmm?  The vast majority was just documentation and 
hardware access.  That's been the Linux way since 1993 (1991?).

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-30 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-30  1:29 Free Linux Driver Development! Greg KH
2007-01-30  2:19 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-30  2:23   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30  7:33 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-01-30 19:15   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-30 10:52 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:14   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:31     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:23       ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:39         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:13         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-31 21:56           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-31 22:04             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-01-30 13:45 ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:12   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:40     ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-30 19:47       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:30 ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:11   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:21     ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 19:33   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-30 19:55     ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 17:45 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 17:55   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-30 18:20   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 18:11     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2007-01-30 19:02     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:36       ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-01-30 19:10   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 19:29     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 19:46       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 21:38         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 21:47           ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 22:00             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:39                   ` John W. Linville
2007-01-30 22:23                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 13:59                   ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 14:45                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 22:39                       ` Erik Mouw
2007-02-01 15:46                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-01 16:42                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-01 17:48                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-30 22:14               ` Dave Airlie
2007-01-30 22:24                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-30 22:41                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 13:34                     ` David Hollis
2007-01-31 17:56                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 18:37                         ` Bob Copeland
2007-02-01  5:52                           ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 20:54                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-31 17:50               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 17:55                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:58                 ` alan
2007-01-31 18:29                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 19:17                     ` alan
2007-01-30 22:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:15             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:01               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:19         ` Matthieu CASTET
2007-01-30 22:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  4:02             ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-31 12:49               ` Alan
2007-01-31 18:37                 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2007-01-30 23:03           ` Alan
2007-01-31 17:03         ` Eric Sandeen
2007-01-31 17:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 17:09             ` Eric Sandeen
2007-02-07 14:03               ` Tejun Heo
2007-02-07 18:40                 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 17:28           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:54       ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 21:46         ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 22:27           ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-01-30 22:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 22:50             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:05               ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 23:09               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-30 23:29                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-30 23:45                   ` Manu Abraham
2007-01-31  0:16                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31  0:46                     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:07                     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-31  1:30                       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07 10:30           ` Laurent Pinchart
2007-01-30 22:43       ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:52     ` Diego Calleja
2007-01-30 20:11       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  1:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:19       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31  1:24       ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  2:11         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-01-31  2:14         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-05  9:49           ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-02-06 13:37             ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 14:57               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-06 16:30               ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 16:36                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-06 21:14               ` Akemi Yagi
2007-02-06 22:15                 ` floppy (Re: Free Linux Driver Development!, OT) Oleg Verych
2007-02-07 13:33                 ` Free Linux Driver Development! Sunil Naidu
2007-02-07 13:50                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-02-08  0:43                 ` David Lang
2007-02-06 15:12             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:11               ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-01-31 10:08         ` Rewriting floppy.c was " Andi Kleen
2007-01-31  9:20           ` Jesper Juhl
2007-01-31  9:32             ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31  9:34               ` Jesper Juhl
2007-01-31 16:18           ` Martin Seidl
2007-01-31 17:24           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-31 18:24             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 18:58               ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-01-31 19:20                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:46               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-02-01 13:12           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-02-01 13:22             ` Jesper Juhl
2007-02-01 17:13             ` Al Viro
2007-01-31 17:41     ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01  5:46       ` Greg KH
2007-02-01 14:22         ` Sergei Organov
2007-02-01 14:41           ` Alan
2007-01-30 19:08 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2007-01-30 19:49   ` Greg KH
2007-01-30 20:15 ` Andrew Lyon
2007-01-30 20:30   ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 13:29     ` Christer Weinigel
2007-02-04 18:19       ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 21:33         ` Christer Weinigel
2007-01-31  2:27 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-01-31  6:26   ` Greg KH
2007-01-31  6:48     ` Kumar Gala
2007-01-31 20:01       ` Michael K. Edwards
     [not found]   ` <355711.50750.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
2007-02-04 18:20     ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 19:08       ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-05  8:13         ` Greg KH
2007-02-05 15:24           ` Jiri Slaby
2007-02-06  6:42             ` Greg KH
2007-02-06 13:35           ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 17:01             ` Greg KH
2007-02-04 18:59 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-06  6:44   ` Greg KH
2007-02-06  8:29     ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-06 18:21       ` Greg KH
2007-02-07  7:12         ` Miguel Ojeda
2007-02-07 18:42           ` Greg KH
     [not found] <fa.vy0GBdNvEFvgi9ipVzdiBp0FpjI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.INRmyia9BGp5I+SBT3+o7eNe+vo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.JOovioFiqyKNIa9g0QxNLn/pldw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.f1ctPsEcBEc59B+Sd5oTTUfDmIs@ifi.uio.no>
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     [not found]         ` <fa.T1Mpk9x9o81uajHKj9J8RE8yM2c@ifi.uio.no>
2007-01-30 23:35           ` Robert Hancock
2007-01-31 13:06 Nicolas Mailhot
2007-01-31 19:29 ` Francois Romieu
2007-01-31 19:54   ` Auke Kok
2007-01-31 21:33     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-31 21:48       ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 20:09   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-01-31 20:12 ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 21:15   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  5:50     ` Greg KH
2007-01-31 22:06   ` Dave Jones
2007-01-31 22:08     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-31 23:00   ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-31 23:04     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-01  1:08       ` Mark Lord
2007-02-01  1:39         ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 10:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-31 23:44     ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  0:07       ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  1:58         ` Greg KH
2007-02-01  8:40       ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:03         ` Trent Waddington
2007-02-01  9:22           ` Nicolas Mailhot
2007-02-01  9:34             ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-31 23:59     ` Lee Revell
2007-02-01 11:43       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-14 12:00     ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-02  4:54 Christoph Bartelmus
2007-02-04  6:26 Larry Finger
2007-02-04 10:36 ` Michael Buesch
2007-02-04 21:37 devzero
2007-02-04 23:04 ` Oleg Verych

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