Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Stas Sergeev]

Hello.

Ryan Underwood wrote:
> Wolf3d doesn't work anymore for me either, it hangs on the soundcard
> detection.
Gosh, works perfectly here! (wolf v1.1)
Can you find out in what 1.1.4.x it started
to fail? (I would suggest .13 as a starting
point)

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Ryan Underwood]

Hi Stas,

On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:48:36PM +0400, Stas Sergeev wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Ryan Underwood wrote:
> >Wolf3d doesn't work anymore for me either, it hangs on the soundcard
> >detection.
> Gosh, works perfectly here! (wolf v1.1)
> Can you find out in what 1.1.4.x it started
> to fail? (I would suggest .13 as a starting
> point)

Looks like it was the broken OSS driver for vortex soundcards.  I
recently started using the ALSA driver which is in development at
savannah, and wolf3d works perfectly as far as I can tell.

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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Justin Zygmont]

how about other games?  sound on my system doesn't work properly


On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Ryan Underwood wrote:

> 
> Hi Stas,
> 
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:48:36PM +0400, Stas Sergeev wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > Ryan Underwood wrote:
> > >Wolf3d doesn't work anymore for me either, it hangs on the soundcard
> > >detection.
> > Gosh, works perfectly here! (wolf v1.1)
> > Can you find out in what 1.1.4.x it started
> > to fail? (I would suggest .13 as a starting
> > point)
> 
> Looks like it was the broken OSS driver for vortex soundcards.  I
> recently started using the ALSA driver which is in development at
> savannah, and wolf3d works perfectly as far as I can tell.
> 
> 

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Justin Zygmont]

Unfortunately, I don't think i'll be able to try with ALSA, i've had 
nothing but problems geting it going on 2 different sound cards.



On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Stas Sergeev wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> Justin Zygmont wrote:
> > how about other games?  sound on my system doesn't work properly
> If you provide an URLs for that other
> games, there is a slightest chance someone
> will try to fix the problem.
> But at first try other drivers (OSS vs ALSA)
> and see it one works better than another.
> Also try to change the constant
> MIN_NUM_FRAGMENTS from 0x4 to 0x10 - I've
> been told that this fixes some problems
> with SB-AWE/ALSA.
> 
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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Justin Zygmont]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Will Styles wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:11 am, Justin Zygmont wrote:
> > ok, i'm going to try with ALSA, some of the games
> > that run improperly are:
> > jill2,3, kiloblaster1,2,3, and most of my other dos
> > games.  What usually happens is each time there is
> > a sound effect, the game gets sluggish pausing for
> > about 1/2 second, and the musical soundtrack
> > doesn't play for any game.  I remember now with
> > 1.1.4, this problem existed, but just not
> > quite as badly.
> >
> hmm, i think i know what the problem is but i'd rather
> not say what it is yet. could you please try the
> following versions:
> 
> 1.1.4.9 (or <=)
> 1.1.4.10
> 1.1.4.13 (or >=)
> 
> if you don't have time, please just try 1.1.4.9.
> i don't think stas will be happy though.... :-)

Sorry for the delay in testing this, I just happened to be pressed for 
time lately.  I just tested 1.1.4.9 and found that there is some 
difference.  This may very well be the version where it got worse, and 
from an earlier message I wonder if DPMI is related to that now.  Some 
games would load that I couldn't get with 1.1.15 and vice versa, raptor for 
instance is DPMI and it wouldn't load in 1.1.4.9, I just got it once with 
sound disabled.  The sluggishness each time a sound effect plays is a bit 
worse with 1.1.15 as opposed to 1.1.4.9, but kilo2 and 3 still don't have any 
sound at all, and any game that does, never plays the musical sound track.  
Also there is a significant different in speed when enabling sound or not 
and it usually sounds distorted and broken up with all dosemu versions.  I 
guess implementing sound isn't easy, I hope this might give some clues, 
i'm suprised that no one else has noticed any problems, I wish I had some 
other computers to test it out on.

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Justin Zygmont]

> btw, out of curiousity, are you running this on pentium 2?

umm, no, I know the speed of my PC leaves a lot to be desired, but I don't 
the sound problem i've noticed is related to that.  It's a P-200 128MB

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Will Styles]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:16 pm, Bart Oldeman wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Will Styles wrote:
> > --- Justin Zygmont <jzygmont@solarflow.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > > i'll try.  however when I managed to try again with 1.1.4, the problem
> > > was there, just not quite as bad.
> >
> > well the patchset number is really critical here...
> >
> > > So I don't know if it'll make much
> > > difference if it was like that all along.
> >
> > i'm not concerned with persistent problems.
> > i'm more concerned about this: if the situation gets *drastically* worse
> > from 1.1.4.9 to 1.1.4.10, i know what the problem is. so i am most
> > interested in these 2 revisions.
>
> hmm what would be the problem in 1.1.4.10?
i didn't want to say so that an objective test could be done but since you want
to know, i believe problem could be "fix VIP/IF releated race in DPMI code.".
i'll be eagerly awaiting Justin's test results however...

> Does this change make all the difference for you? Funny...
i tell you what is even more funny: the VIP/IF change is even smaller :-)

btw, Bart, thankyou for fix jazz xdosemu problem.

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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Bart Oldeman]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Will Styles wrote:

> --- Justin Zygmont <jzygmont@solarflow.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > i'll try.  however when I managed to try again with 1.1.4, the problem was 
> > there, just not quite as bad.  
> well the patchset number is really critical here...
> 
> > So I don't know if it'll make much 
> > difference if it was like that all along.
> > 
> i'm not concerned with persistent problems.
> i'm more concerned about this: if the situation gets *drastically* worse from
> 1.1.4.9 to 1.1.4.10, i know what the problem is. so i am most interested in
> these 2 revisions.

hmm what would be the problem in 1.1.4.10? I can see
+       - allow DSP commands in high speed mode (fixed problem with
+         Pinball Dreams 2)

@@ -754,7 +753,7 @@
   case 0x0C:           /* dsp write register */
                if (SB_dsp.dma_mode & HIGH_SPEED_DMA) {
                  S_printf("SB: Commands are not permitted in High-Speed DMA mode!\n");
-                 break;
+                 /* break; */
                }
                sb_dsp_write ( value );
                break;

Does this change make all the difference for you? Funny...

Bart

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Bart Oldeman]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Will Styles wrote:

> i tell you what is even more funny: the VIP/IF change is even smaller :-)

right, I found some correspondence about this change (some negative
speed effects were mostly corrected in 1.1.4.14 according to Stas but I
never saw the difference myself and I'm not very familiar with the DPMI
code anyway) but never linked it to sound.

Bart

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Will Styles]

hello.

--- Justin Zygmont <jzygmont@solarflow.dyndns.org> wrote:
> i'll try.  however when I managed to try again with 1.1.4, the problem was 
> there, just not quite as bad.  
well the patchset number is really critical here...

> So I don't know if it'll make much 
> difference if it was like that all along.
> 
i'm not concerned with persistent problems.
i'm more concerned about this: if the situation gets *drastically* worse from
1.1.4.9 to 1.1.4.10, i know what the problem is. so i am most interested in
these 2 revisions.
btw, out of curiousity, are you running this on pentium 2?

-wst

> 
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Will Styles wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:11 am, Justin Zygmont wrote:
> > > ok, i'm going to try with ALSA, some of the games
> > > that run improperly are:
> > > jill2,3, kiloblaster1,2,3, and most of my other dos
> > > games.  What usually happens is each time there is
> > > a sound effect, the game gets sluggish pausing for
> > > about 1/2 second, and the musical soundtrack
> > > doesn't play for any game.  I remember now with
> > > 1.1.4, this problem existed, but just not
> > > quite as badly.
> > >
> > hmm, i think i know what the problem is but i'd rather
> > not say what it is yet. could you please try the
> > following versions:
> > 
> > 1.1.4.9 (or <=)
> > 1.1.4.10
> > 1.1.4.13 (or >=)
> > 
> > if you don't have time, please just try 1.1.4.9.
> > i don't think stas will be happy though.... :-)
> > 
> 

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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Justin Zygmont]

i'll try.  however when I managed to try again with 1.1.4, the problem was 
there, just not quite as bad.  So I don't know if it'll make much 
difference if it was like that all along.


On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Will Styles wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:11 am, Justin Zygmont wrote:
> > ok, i'm going to try with ALSA, some of the games
> > that run improperly are:
> > jill2,3, kiloblaster1,2,3, and most of my other dos
> > games.  What usually happens is each time there is
> > a sound effect, the game gets sluggish pausing for
> > about 1/2 second, and the musical soundtrack
> > doesn't play for any game.  I remember now with
> > 1.1.4, this problem existed, but just not
> > quite as badly.
> >
> hmm, i think i know what the problem is but i'd rather
> not say what it is yet. could you please try the
> following versions:
> 
> 1.1.4.9 (or <=)
> 1.1.4.10
> 1.1.4.13 (or >=)
> 
> if you don't have time, please just try 1.1.4.9.
> i don't think stas will be happy though.... :-)
> 
> -wst
> 
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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Will Styles]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:11 am, Justin Zygmont wrote:
> ok, i'm going to try with ALSA, some of the games
> that run improperly are:
> jill2,3, kiloblaster1,2,3, and most of my other dos
> games.  What usually happens is each time there is
> a sound effect, the game gets sluggish pausing for
> about 1/2 second, and the musical soundtrack
> doesn't play for any game.  I remember now with
> 1.1.4, this problem existed, but just not
> quite as badly.
>
hmm, i think i know what the problem is but i'd rather
not say what it is yet. could you please try the
following versions:

1.1.4.9 (or <=)
1.1.4.10
1.1.4.13 (or >=)

if you don't have time, please just try 1.1.4.9.
i don't think stas will be happy though.... :-)

-wst

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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Ryan Underwood]

Hi Stas,

On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 09:30:54PM +0400, Stas Sergeev wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Ryan Underwood wrote:
> >Looks like it was the broken OSS driver for vortex soundcards.
> Have you tried this patch:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=515249&group_id=8109&atid=308109

Yes, that patch corrected the sound not working at all with newer dosemu
versions.

> >recently started using the ALSA driver which is in development at
> >savannah, and wolf3d works perfectly as far as I can tell.
> How good is the driver actually? Because
> it works with dosemu, it might be rather
> mature I guess.

There are still some obvious issues that people have with it, but it is
stable and supports more features already than the oss binary driver.
It is worth giving a try.

-- 
Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Justin Zygmont]

ok, i'm going to try with ALSA, some of the games that run improperly are: 
jill2,3, kiloblaster1,2,3, and most of my other dos games.  What usually 
happens is each time there is a sound effect, the game gets sluggish pausing 
for about 1/2 second, and the musical soundtrack doesn't play for any 
game.  I remember now with 1.1.4, this problem existed, but just not quite 
as badly.



On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Stas Sergeev wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> Justin Zygmont wrote:
> > how about other games?  sound on my system doesn't work properly
> If you provide an URLs for that other
> games, there is a slightest chance someone
> will try to fix the problem.
> But at first try other drivers (OSS vs ALSA)
> and see it one works better than another.
> Also try to change the constant
> MIN_NUM_FRAGMENTS from 0x4 to 0x10 - I've
> been told that this fixes some problems
> with SB-AWE/ALSA.
> 
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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Stas Sergeev]

Hello.

Justin Zygmont wrote:
> how about other games?  sound on my system doesn't work properly
If you provide an URLs for that other
games, there is a slightest chance someone
will try to fix the problem.
But at first try other drivers (OSS vs ALSA)
and see it one works better than another.
Also try to change the constant
MIN_NUM_FRAGMENTS from 0x4 to 0x10 - I've
been told that this fixes some problems
with SB-AWE/ALSA.

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Stas Sergeev]

Hello.

Ryan Underwood wrote:
> Looks like it was the broken OSS driver for vortex soundcards.
Have you tried this patch:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=515249&group_id=8109&atid=308109

> recently started using the ALSA driver which is in development at
> savannah, and wolf3d works perfectly as far as I can tell.
How good is the driver actually? Because
it works with dosemu, it might be rather
mature I guess.

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Ryan Underwood]

Hi,

On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 11:36:08AM +0100, Bart Oldeman wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> 
> > problem 1:
> > 1.1.5 produces sound from the sound card in 'jill' and 'carmen
> > sandiego', but not in Wolf3d; Wolfd3 hangs. This is with the
> > defaults in dosemu.conf unchanged apart from the boot disk location.
> 
> I haven't heard about any new problems with wolf3d yet, but i'll try to
> reproduce it.

Wolf3d doesn't work anymore for me either, it hangs on the soundcard
detection.  BTW, why not use the SDL wolf3d port instead?

-- 
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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Ryan Underwood]

Hi,

On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 09:42:16PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> 
> > [..]  Do you happen to remember if sound was better with your
> > previous dosemu versions, I deleted mine too fast as well:)
> 
> As far as I remember the 1.1.4+ versions ran any program I threw
> at them (even the Tomb Raider demo succeeded, with the most
> advanced 1.1.4 versions, e.g. 1.1.4.14) *with* sound (that is,
> shooting sounds, speech, &c). But *no* music (apart from once when
> I used a *very* experimental patch by Stas Sergeev). DOS-type
> music seems to be very difficult on Linux/Dosemu (as it is on
> modern versions of Windows btw).

Yes, unfortunately there is no generic Adlib/OPL emulation that exists
yet.  Each program that wants to use it needs to find its own way to
link in the MAME fmopl.c, which means that the quality of emulation
varies wildly from program to program (i.e. sarien's opl emulation works
great, but dosemu's not so hot.)  Stas's patch didn't work too well
since it did not have any concurrency at all with the main dosemu process.

I am sort of working on an adlib emulation server for alsa that all of
these various programs can use instead, for increased efficiency and
flexibility, but haven't had much time to do it. :)

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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

Justin Zygmont wrote:

> [..]  Do you happen to remember if sound was better with your
> previous dosemu versions, I deleted mine too fast as well:)

As far as I remember the 1.1.4+ versions ran any program I threw
at them (even the Tomb Raider demo succeeded, with the most
advanced 1.1.4 versions, e.g. 1.1.4.14) *with* sound (that is,
shooting sounds, speech, &c). But *no* music (apart from once when
I used a *very* experimental patch by Stas Sergeev). DOS-type
music seems to be very difficult on Linux/Dosemu (as it is on
modern versions of Windows btw).

> [..] what release of linux do you use and what sound card?

Linux [hostname] 2.4.20 #17 Sat Jun 14 15:46:24 CEST 2003 i686
GNU/Linux

Debian "testing", basically. "Hand-rolled" kernel. Sound Blaster
PCI 128 (Ensoniq 1371). But earlier, I used a 2.2.18-pre-blabla
kernel with Alsa.

Regards, Jan

Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Justin Zygmont]

I don't think they are related at all.  I remember 1.1.4 didn't compile 
easily.  Do you happen to remember if sound was better with your previous 
dosemu versions, I deleted mine too fast as well:)  Jill1 sounded ok for 
me but, few other games if any would, and the musical soundtrack wouldn't 
play for any game either.  Also what release of linux do you use and what 
sound card? Does it play the musical soundtrack for you?


On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

> problem 1:
> 1.1.5 produces sound from the sound card in 'jill' and 'carmen
> sandiego', but not in Wolf3d; Wolfd3 hangs. This is with the
> defaults in dosemu.conf unchanged apart from the boot disk location.
> 
> problem 2:
> Unfortunately I don't have my old dosemu versions any more. So
> wanting to test a older version I downloaded 1.1.4 from
> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/emulators/dosemu .
> 
> Typed 'make' to compile it; but the compilation failed with
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Sorry, a.out system detected, but we do no longer support it
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> But I don't have an a.out system; I have support for a.out
> disabled in the kernel.
> 
> Of course I have no clue if problems 1 and 2 are related.
> Kernel at this moment: 2.4.20.
> 
> Regards, Jan
> 
> 
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Re: some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Bart Oldeman]

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

> problem 1:
> 1.1.5 produces sound from the sound card in 'jill' and 'carmen
> sandiego', but not in Wolf3d; Wolfd3 hangs. This is with the
> defaults in dosemu.conf unchanged apart from the boot disk location.

I haven't heard about any new problems with wolf3d yet, but i'll try to
reproduce it.

> problem 2:
> Unfortunately I don't have my old dosemu versions any more. So
> wanting to test a older version I downloaded 1.1.4 from
> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/emulators/dosemu .
> 
> Typed 'make' to compile it; but the compilation failed with
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Sorry, a.out system detected, but we do no longer support it
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> But I don't have an a.out system; I have support for a.out
> disabled in the kernel.

this happens if you use gcc 3.3 or newer -- and it was fixed in dosemu
1.1.5.

for 1.1.4 a quick and dirty fix is to edit base-configure and replace
      echo 
"------------------------------------------------------------"
      echo "Sorry, a.out system detected, but we do no longer support
it"
      echo
"------------------------------------------------------------"
      exit 1

by
      ELF="ELF=1"


Bart

some problems (1.1.5 and 1.1.4)

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

problem 1:
1.1.5 produces sound from the sound card in 'jill' and 'carmen
sandiego', but not in Wolf3d; Wolfd3 hangs. This is with the
defaults in dosemu.conf unchanged apart from the boot disk location.

problem 2:
Unfortunately I don't have my old dosemu versions any more. So
wanting to test a older version I downloaded 1.1.4 from
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/emulators/dosemu .

Typed 'make' to compile it; but the compilation failed with

------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, a.out system detected, but we do no longer support it
------------------------------------------------------------

But I don't have an a.out system; I have support for a.out
disabled in the kernel.

Of course I have no clue if problems 1 and 2 are related.
Kernel at this moment: 2.4.20.

Regards, Jan