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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Daniel Axtens' <dja@axtens.net>,
	Lakshmi Ramasubramanian <nramas@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"robh@kernel.org" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"dan.carpenter@oracle.com" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Cc: "devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"kbuild-all@lists.01.org" <kbuild-all@lists.01.org>,
	"bauerman@linux.ibm.com" <bauerman@linux.ibm.com>,
	"lkp@intel.com" <lkp@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] powerpc: Initialize local variable fdt to NULL in elf64_load()
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:05:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e6b31d92d5042d982daeb989e49299e@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1j3ys8i.fsf@dja-thinkpad.axtens.net>

From: Daniel Axtens
> Sent: 22 April 2021 03:21
> 
> > Hi Lakshmi,
> >
> >> On 4/15/21 12:14 PM, Lakshmi Ramasubramanian wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry - missed copying device-tree and powerpc mailing lists.
> >>
> >>> There are a few "goto out;" statements before the local variable "fdt"
> >>> is initialized through the call to of_kexec_alloc_and_setup_fdt() in
> >>> elf64_load(). This will result in an uninitialized "fdt" being passed
> >>> to kvfree() in this function if there is an error before the call to
> >>> of_kexec_alloc_and_setup_fdt().
> >>>
> >>> Initialize the local variable "fdt" to NULL.
> >>>
> > I'm a huge fan of initialising local variables! But I'm struggling to
> > find the code path that will lead to an uninit fdt being returned...
> 
> OK, so perhaps this was putting it too strongly. I have been bitten
> by uninitialised things enough in C that I may have taken a slightly
> overly-agressive view of fixing them in the source rather than the
> compiler. I do think compiler-level mitigations are better, and I take
> the point that we don't want to defeat compiler checking.
> 
> (Does anyone - and by anyone I mean any large distro - compile with
> local variables inited by the compiler?)

There are compilers that initialise locals to zero for 'debug' builds
and leave the 'random' for optimised 'release' builds.
Lets not test what we are releasing!

I also think there is a new option to gcc (or clang?) to initialise
on-stack structures and arrays to ensure garbage isn't passed.
That seems to be a horrid performance hit!
Especially in userspace where large stack allocations are almost free.

Any auto-initialise ought to be with a semi-random value
(especially not zero) so that it is never right and doesn't
lead to lazy coding.

	David

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Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK
Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)


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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: kbuild-all@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] powerpc: Initialize local variable fdt to NULL in elf64_load()
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:05:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e6b31d92d5042d982daeb989e49299e@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1j3ys8i.fsf@dja-thinkpad.axtens.net>

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From: Daniel Axtens
> Sent: 22 April 2021 03:21
> 
> > Hi Lakshmi,
> >
> >> On 4/15/21 12:14 PM, Lakshmi Ramasubramanian wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry - missed copying device-tree and powerpc mailing lists.
> >>
> >>> There are a few "goto out;" statements before the local variable "fdt"
> >>> is initialized through the call to of_kexec_alloc_and_setup_fdt() in
> >>> elf64_load(). This will result in an uninitialized "fdt" being passed
> >>> to kvfree() in this function if there is an error before the call to
> >>> of_kexec_alloc_and_setup_fdt().
> >>>
> >>> Initialize the local variable "fdt" to NULL.
> >>>
> > I'm a huge fan of initialising local variables! But I'm struggling to
> > find the code path that will lead to an uninit fdt being returned...
> 
> OK, so perhaps this was putting it too strongly. I have been bitten
> by uninitialised things enough in C that I may have taken a slightly
> overly-agressive view of fixing them in the source rather than the
> compiler. I do think compiler-level mitigations are better, and I take
> the point that we don't want to defeat compiler checking.
> 
> (Does anyone - and by anyone I mean any large distro - compile with
> local variables inited by the compiler?)

There are compilers that initialise locals to zero for 'debug' builds
and leave the 'random' for optimised 'release' builds.
Lets not test what we are releasing!

I also think there is a new option to gcc (or clang?) to initialise
on-stack structures and arrays to ensure garbage isn't passed.
That seems to be a horrid performance hit!
Especially in userspace where large stack allocations are almost free.

Any auto-initialise ought to be with a semi-random value
(especially not zero) so that it is never right and doesn't
lead to lazy coding.

	David

-
Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK
Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-22  8:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-15 19:14 [PATCH] powerpc: Initialize local variable fdt to NULL in elf64_load() Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-15 19:18 ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-15 19:18   ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-15 19:18   ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-16  6:44   ` Daniel Axtens
2021-04-16  6:44     ` Daniel Axtens
2021-04-16  6:44     ` Daniel Axtens
2021-04-16  7:00     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-04-16  7:00       ` Christophe Leroy
2021-04-16  8:09       ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-16  8:09         ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-16  8:09         ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-16 12:19         ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-16 12:19           ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-16  7:40     ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-16  7:40       ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-16  7:40       ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-16  9:05     ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-16  9:05       ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-16 14:37       ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-16 14:37         ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-19 23:30         ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-19 23:30           ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-20  1:33           ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20  1:33             ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20  5:00           ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-20  5:00             ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-20  5:00             ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-20  5:20             ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20  5:20               ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20  5:20               ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 13:06               ` Rob Herring
2021-04-20 13:06                 ` Rob Herring
2021-04-20 13:06                 ` Rob Herring
2021-04-20 14:42                 ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 14:42                   ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 14:42                   ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 15:04                   ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 15:04                     ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 15:04                     ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 15:47                     ` Rob Herring
2021-04-20 15:47                       ` Rob Herring
2021-04-20 15:47                       ` Rob Herring
2021-04-20 15:55                       ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 15:55                         ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-20 15:55                         ` Lakshmi Ramasubramanian
2021-04-22  2:21     ` Daniel Axtens
2021-04-22  2:21       ` Daniel Axtens
2021-04-22  2:21       ` Daniel Axtens
2021-04-22  8:05       ` David Laight [this message]
2021-04-22  8:05         ` David Laight
2021-04-22  9:34         ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-22  9:34           ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-22  9:34           ` Dan Carpenter
2021-04-22 16:54         ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-22 16:54           ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-23 13:50       ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-23 13:50         ` Michael Ellerman
2021-04-23 14:42         ` David Laight
2021-04-23 14:42           ` David Laight
2021-04-23 15:11           ` Rob Herring
2021-04-23 15:11             ` Rob Herring
2021-04-23 15:11             ` Rob Herring

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