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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Hitoshi Mitake <h.mitake@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@crashcourse.ca>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:44:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49EDE9E9.8090905@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6b9f31a0904210133m29e68580w1fb7a8e6159b65d6@mail.gmail.com>

Hitoshi Mitake wrote:
> I suggest 2) (or 3)).
> Because there's no problem since ported readq/writeq on x86_32.
> And as H. Peter Anvin mentioned non-atomic is generally fine.

Okay, I'm going to throw in yet another wrench in the machinery.

There are devices which really only want to use writeq() if it is an
inexpensive (no x86 MMX hacks) atomic operation.

What follows is *NOT* a hypothetical example, I worked on a real device
which behaved this way:

Consider a device with a set of control registers in device memory.  You
can issue a whole command sequence at one point, but the command isn't
activated until a write is received with a certain bit set (located in
the high half of the last qword.)

For performance, the device provides its registers mapped to two
different physical addresses, with the intent that the OS will map one
of them write-combining.

Thus, what you want is to perform all writes but the very last one as a
write-combining write; the very last write should be a conventional I/O
write that flushes the write combiners ahead of itself and triggers the
write.

Now, in theory you could use writel() for this, but if you have a
working writeq() [e.g. 64-bit mode] you want to use it.

So it's important that the driver can know when readq/writeq are
emulated at all.

One way to deal with that is the <linux/io64*.h> method, another is with
feature test macros.

	-hpa

-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-21 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-19 19:45 arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars Robert P. J. Day
2009-04-19 21:12 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-19 21:46   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-19 22:02     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-19 22:35       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20  0:56         ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20  2:08           ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-20  0:53     ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20  1:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-20 10:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 14:47           ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-20 16:03             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21  8:33               ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21  8:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21  8:57                   ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21 15:44                 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2009-04-21 17:07                   ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 17:19                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:23                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 19:09                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 21:11                           ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 21:16                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-22  0:31                               ` David Miller
2009-04-28 19:05                                 ` [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit Roland Dreier
2009-04-29  5:12                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-29 11:56                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-29 12:10                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:25                                         ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-29 19:59                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13  5:32                                             ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:19                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:39                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 23:39                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14  0:49                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-14  7:19                                                       ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-15 23:44                                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-17  7:12                                                           ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-17  8:06                                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-21 11:35                                                               ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-21 11:49                                                                 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:42                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:05                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 21:30                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:31                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:54                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:06                                                 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-13 22:29                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:21                                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-22  0:27                           ` arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars David Miller
2009-04-22  0:25                     ` David Miller

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