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From: Dunc <dunc@lemonia.org>
To: Kalle Valo <kalle.valo@iki.fi>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	kaber@trash.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Network QoS support in applications
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:02:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B5EF5DF.2070005@lemonia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87my01m0zm.fsf@purkki.valot.fi>


> And you are perfectly right, as always. My choise of using the word
> "universal" was bad. With word "universal" I meant to use same network
> QoS API with different network technologies: ethernet, wi-fi,
> bluetooth etc.
> 
> But we don't need to solve everything in one go, instead we can make
> small steps. The first step is to start pushing applications to
> classify their streams. That's the enabler to get some sort of QoS
> support, at least to inside kernel and to the next hop. With luck, in
> future it might get more widely used.
> 
> I was hoping to base the classification on some standard, but there
> doesn't really seem to be one which would specify a complete solution.
> But that's ok, we can always create a de facto standard :)
> 
> I'm curious how other operation systems handle this? Or is it a
> similar situation, nobody just doesn't use QoS for anything?
> 

If applications set the QoS values, the who's to stop someone (for
example) writing a bittorrent client that marks all packets for the
highest priority as if they were VoIP or something? At this point all
the good work done in the applications is useless and the network admin
is going to have to not trust the QoS values and then attempt to
classify traffic by themselves, so it was all a waste of time.

It's probably better to just always leave it up to the network devices IMHO.

Cheers,

Dunc

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-26 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-26  8:27 Network QoS support in applications Kalle Valo
2010-01-26  8:27 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 11:30 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 11:30   ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 11:51   ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 11:51     ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 11:59     ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 11:59       ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 12:16     ` David Miller
2010-01-26 12:16       ` David Miller
2010-01-26 12:56       ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 13:06         ` David Miller
2010-01-26 13:47           ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 13:47             ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 14:02             ` Dunc [this message]
2010-01-26 14:27               ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 14:27                 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 21:54                 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-01-26 21:54                   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-01-27  7:11                   ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-27  1:57               ` Zhu Yi
2010-01-27 13:24               ` Benny Amorsen
2010-03-11 19:21               ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-03-11 19:27                 ` David Miller
2010-03-11 19:27                   ` David Miller
2010-03-11 19:29                   ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-03-11 19:29                     ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-05-19  0:04                     ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-05-31 19:30                       ` Ben Gardiner
2010-05-31 19:30                         ` Ben Gardiner
2010-05-31 20:28                         ` Philip Prindeville
2010-01-26 14:43             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2010-01-26 14:43               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2010-01-26 13:06         ` Henning Rogge
2010-01-26 13:06           ` Henning Rogge
2010-01-27  6:59           ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 15:29       ` Steven Blake
2010-01-27  7:03         ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-27 16:18 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-01-27 16:26   ` Greg Oliver
2010-03-11 18:56 ` Philip A. Prindeville

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