From: Ben Gardiner <bengardiner@nanometrics.ca>
To: "Philip A. Prindeville" <philipp@redfish-solutions.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
dunc@lemonia.org, kalle.valo@iki.fi, kaber@trash.net,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Network QoS support in applications
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:30:31 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTindWCmxtAJU5R3ey_18_3wNUuMGc-jq_EY_itiN@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BF32B2B.6010202@redfish-solutions.com>
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Philip A. Prindeville
<philipp@redfish-solutions.com> wrote:
> On 03/11/2010 12:29 PM, Philip A. Prindeville wrote:
>> On 03/11/2010 12:27 PM, David Miller wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Philip A. Prindeville" <philipp_subx@redfish-solutions.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:21:11 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>> And yes, there will always be misbehaving users. They are a fact of
>>>> life. That doesn't mean we should lobotomize the network. We don't
>>>> have an authentication mechanism on ICMP Redirects or Source-Quench,
>>>>
>>> Which is why most networks block those packets from the outside.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nor is ARP authenticated.
>>>>
>>> Which is why people control who can plug into their physical
>>> network.
>>>
>>> None of the things you are saying support the idea of having
>>> applications decide what the DSCP marking should be.
>>>
>>
>> Does "decide what the DSCP marking should be" include complying to the recommendations of RFC-4594?
>>
>
> If anyone cares, here's an update:
>
> I've submitted patches for QoS configuration for:
>
> APR/Apache (stalled);
> Proftpd (committed);
> Openssh (pending review);
> Firefox/Thunderbird (reviewed and on-track for commit);
> Cyrus (committed);
> Sendmail (submittted and acknowledged, but not yet reviewed);
> Curl (stalled);
>
> All, as per the request of the maintainers, default to either no QoS
> markings or previous RFC-791 QoS markings if that's what they already
> supported (Proftpd and Openssh).
>
> If anyone can think of anything else that needs to be supported to
> impact a significant portion of network (or enterprise intranet)
> traffic, please call it out.
wget [1], like curl, is used for downloads of artifacts by some build systems.
[1] http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/
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From: Ben Gardiner <bengardiner-ScDXFp4xN3PN+rMO2ozGnw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Philip A. Prindeville"
<philipp-9z15yex7P+UJvtFkdXX2HpqQE7yCjDx5@public.gmane.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>,
dunc-9b9L1Hpe0sBAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org,
kalle.valo-X3B1VOXEql0@public.gmane.org,
kaber-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org,
netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Network QoS support in applications
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:30:31 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTindWCmxtAJU5R3ey_18_3wNUuMGc-jq_EY_itiN@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BF32B2B.6010202-9z15yex7P+UJvtFkdXX2HpqQE7yCjDx5@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Philip A. Prindeville
<philipp-9z15yex7P+UJvtFkdXX2HpqQE7yCjDx5@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 03/11/2010 12:29 PM, Philip A. Prindeville wrote:
>> On 03/11/2010 12:27 PM, David Miller wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Philip A. Prindeville" <philipp_subx-9z15yex7P+UJvtFkdXX2HpqQE7yCjDx5@public.gmane.org>
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:21:11 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>> And yes, there will always be misbehaving users. They are a fact of
>>>> life. That doesn't mean we should lobotomize the network. We don't
>>>> have an authentication mechanism on ICMP Redirects or Source-Quench,
>>>>
>>> Which is why most networks block those packets from the outside.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nor is ARP authenticated.
>>>>
>>> Which is why people control who can plug into their physical
>>> network.
>>>
>>> None of the things you are saying support the idea of having
>>> applications decide what the DSCP marking should be.
>>>
>>
>> Does "decide what the DSCP marking should be" include complying to the recommendations of RFC-4594?
>>
>
> If anyone cares, here's an update:
>
> I've submitted patches for QoS configuration for:
>
> APR/Apache (stalled);
> Proftpd (committed);
> Openssh (pending review);
> Firefox/Thunderbird (reviewed and on-track for commit);
> Cyrus (committed);
> Sendmail (submittted and acknowledged, but not yet reviewed);
> Curl (stalled);
>
> All, as per the request of the maintainers, default to either no QoS
> markings or previous RFC-791 QoS markings if that's what they already
> supported (Proftpd and Openssh).
>
> If anyone can think of anything else that needs to be supported to
> impact a significant portion of network (or enterprise intranet)
> traffic, please call it out.
wget [1], like curl, is used for downloads of artifacts by some build systems.
[1] http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/
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Nanometrics Inc.
+1 (613) 592-6776 x239
http://www.nanometrics.ca
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-31 19:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-26 8:27 Network QoS support in applications Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 8:27 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 11:30 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 11:30 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 11:51 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 11:51 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 11:59 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 11:59 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 12:16 ` David Miller
2010-01-26 12:16 ` David Miller
2010-01-26 12:56 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 13:06 ` David Miller
2010-01-26 13:47 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 13:47 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 14:02 ` Dunc
2010-01-26 14:27 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 14:27 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 21:54 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-01-26 21:54 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-01-27 7:11 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-27 1:57 ` Zhu Yi
2010-01-27 13:24 ` Benny Amorsen
2010-03-11 19:21 ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-03-11 19:27 ` David Miller
2010-03-11 19:27 ` David Miller
2010-03-11 19:29 ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-03-11 19:29 ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-05-19 0:04 ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-05-31 19:30 ` Ben Gardiner [this message]
2010-05-31 19:30 ` Ben Gardiner
2010-05-31 20:28 ` Philip Prindeville
2010-01-26 14:43 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2010-01-26 14:43 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2010-01-26 13:06 ` Henning Rogge
2010-01-26 13:06 ` Henning Rogge
2010-01-27 6:59 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 15:29 ` Steven Blake
2010-01-27 7:03 ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-27 16:18 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-01-27 16:26 ` Greg Oliver
2010-03-11 18:56 ` Philip A. Prindeville
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