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From: Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@vmware.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	Jesse Barker <jesse.barker@linaro.org>,
	Kyungmin Park <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	Ankita Garg <ankita@in.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:12:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DF8AFB5.10205@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=XTJuF4np7+rYHzJqWK20OxMrBsw@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/15/2011 01:53 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:30, Arnd Bergmann<arnd@arndb.de>  wrote:
>    
>> On Tuesday 14 June 2011 18:58:35 Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
>>      
>>> Ah yes, I forgot that separate regions for different purposes could
>>> decrease fragmentation.
>>>        
>> That is indeed a good point, but having a good allocator algorithm
>> could also solve this. I don't know too much about these allocation
>> algorithms, but there are probably multiple working approaches to this.
>>      
> imo no allocator algorithm is gonna help if you have comparably large,
> variable-sized contiguous allocations out of a restricted address range.
> It might work well enough if there are only a few sizes and/or there's
> decent headroom. But for really generic workloads this would require
> sync objects and eviction callbacks (i.e. what Thomas Hellstrom pushed
> with ttm).
>    

Indeed, IIRC on the meeting I pointed out that there is no way to 
generically solve the fragmentation problem without movable buffers. 
(I'd do it as a simple CMA backend to TTM). This is exactly the same 
problem as trying to fit buffers in a limited VRAM area.

/Thomas



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@vmware.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	Jesse Barker <jesse.barker@linaro.org>,
	Kyungmin Park <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	Ankita Garg <ankita@in.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:12:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DF8AFB5.10205@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=XTJuF4np7+rYHzJqWK20OxMrBsw@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/15/2011 01:53 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:30, Arnd Bergmann<arnd@arndb.de>  wrote:
>    
>> On Tuesday 14 June 2011 18:58:35 Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
>>      
>>> Ah yes, I forgot that separate regions for different purposes could
>>> decrease fragmentation.
>>>        
>> That is indeed a good point, but having a good allocator algorithm
>> could also solve this. I don't know too much about these allocation
>> algorithms, but there are probably multiple working approaches to this.
>>      
> imo no allocator algorithm is gonna help if you have comparably large,
> variable-sized contiguous allocations out of a restricted address range.
> It might work well enough if there are only a few sizes and/or there's
> decent headroom. But for really generic workloads this would require
> sync objects and eviction callbacks (i.e. what Thomas Hellstrom pushed
> with ttm).
>    

Indeed, IIRC on the meeting I pointed out that there is no way to 
generically solve the fragmentation problem without movable buffers. 
(I'd do it as a simple CMA backend to TTM). This is exactly the same 
problem as trying to fit buffers in a limited VRAM area.

/Thomas


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From: thellstrom@vmware.com (Thomas Hellstrom)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:12:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DF8AFB5.10205@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=XTJuF4np7+rYHzJqWK20OxMrBsw@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/15/2011 01:53 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:30, Arnd Bergmann<arnd@arndb.de>  wrote:
>    
>> On Tuesday 14 June 2011 18:58:35 Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
>>      
>>> Ah yes, I forgot that separate regions for different purposes could
>>> decrease fragmentation.
>>>        
>> That is indeed a good point, but having a good allocator algorithm
>> could also solve this. I don't know too much about these allocation
>> algorithms, but there are probably multiple working approaches to this.
>>      
> imo no allocator algorithm is gonna help if you have comparably large,
> variable-sized contiguous allocations out of a restricted address range.
> It might work well enough if there are only a few sizes and/or there's
> decent headroom. But for really generic workloads this would require
> sync objects and eviction callbacks (i.e. what Thomas Hellstrom pushed
> with ttm).
>    

Indeed, IIRC on the meeting I pointed out that there is no way to 
generically solve the fragmentation problem without movable buffers. 
(I'd do it as a simple CMA backend to TTM). This is exactly the same 
problem as trying to fit buffers in a limited VRAM area.

/Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-15 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-10  9:54 [PATCHv10 0/10] Contiguous Memory Allocator Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 01/10] lib: bitmap: Added alignment offset for bitmap_find_next_zero_area() Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 02/10] lib: genalloc: Generic allocator improvements Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 11:24   ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 11:24     ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 11:24     ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 12:22     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 12:22       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 12:22       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 12:52       ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 12:52         ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 12:52         ` Alan Cox
2011-06-10 17:16         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-10 17:16           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-10 17:16           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 15:49         ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 15:49           ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 15:49           ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: move some functions from memory_hotplug.c to page_isolation.c Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: alloc_contig_freed_pages() added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: alloc_contig_range() added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: MIGRATE_CMA migration type added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: MIGRATE_CMA isolation functions added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: cma: Contiguous Memory Allocator added Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10 16:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-10 16:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-10 16:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-13  9:05     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-13  9:05       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-13  9:05       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-14 13:49       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 13:49         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 13:49         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 13:55         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 13:55           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 13:55           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 16:03           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 16:03             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 16:03             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 16:58             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 16:58               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 16:58               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 18:30               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 18:30                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 18:30                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 18:40                 ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 18:40                   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-14 18:40                   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  7:11                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  7:11                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  7:11                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  7:37                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  7:37                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  7:37                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  8:14                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:14                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:14                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-16  0:48                     ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Philip Balister
2011-06-16  0:48                       ` Philip Balister
2011-06-16  0:48                       ` Philip Balister
2011-06-16  7:03                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  7:03                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  7:03                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  7:03                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22  7:03                     ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-22  7:03                       ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-22  7:03                       ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-22  7:32                       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22  7:32                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22  7:32                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 12:42                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 12:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 12:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:15                         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22 13:15                           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22 13:15                           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22 13:39                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:39                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:39                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 13:39                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-22 16:04                             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 16:04                               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 16:04                               ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 15:54                           ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 15:54                             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-22 15:54                             ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:53                 ` Daniel Vetter
2011-06-15 11:53                   ` Daniel Vetter
2011-06-15 11:53                   ` Daniel Vetter
2011-06-15 13:12                   ` Thomas Hellstrom [this message]
2011-06-15 13:12                     ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-06-15 13:12                     ` Thomas Hellstrom
2011-06-17 16:08                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 16:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 16:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 17:01             ` Daniel Stone
2011-06-14 17:01               ` Daniel Stone
2011-06-14 17:01               ` Daniel Stone
2011-06-14 18:58               ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-14 18:58                 ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-14 18:58                 ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-14 20:42                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 20:42                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 20:42                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 21:01                   ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 21:01                     ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-14 21:01                     ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-15 11:27                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15  6:29                   ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  8:36                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:36                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:36                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15 21:39                     ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-15 21:39                       ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-15 21:39                       ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-15 22:06                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 22:06                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 22:06                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 17:01                         ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-16 17:01                           ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-16 17:01                           ` Larry Bassel
2011-06-17 12:45                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 12:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-17 12:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-04  5:25                         ` Ankita Garg
2011-07-04  5:25                           ` Ankita Garg
2011-07-04  5:25                           ` Ankita Garg
2011-07-04 14:45                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-04 14:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-04 14:45                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16  3:20                       ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-16  3:20                         ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-16  3:20                         ` Zach Pfeffer
2011-06-15  9:26                   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  9:26                     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  9:26                     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:20                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:20                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:20                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:30                       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:30                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15 11:30                         ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-15  6:01             ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  6:01               ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  6:01               ` Subash Patel
2011-06-15  8:02         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:02           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15  8:02           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-15 11:14           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-15 11:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 09/10] ARM: integrate CMA with dma-mapping subsystem Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54 ` [PATCH 10/10] ARM: S5PV210: add CMA support for FIMC devices on Aquila board Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-10  9:54   ` Marek Szyprowski

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